Decoupling required on a Gyvlon screed?

[hmtiling]

I assume tm will guarantee their mat with anhyfix and bal won't guarantee with gypsum addy. If the case tm is the better choice imo

 

[Dumbo]

I assume tm will guarantee their mat with anhyfix and bal won't guarantee with gypsum addy. If the case tm is the better choice imo

Call me sceptic but has any body made a claim against an adhesive manufacturer guarantee and they have just dealt with it.

 

[hmtiling]

Call me sceptic but has any body made a claim against an adhesive manufacturer guarantee and they have just dealt with it.

hahaha. Nope, i've never heard of one just holding their hands up but Tilemaster have a great reputation, engage with fixers and stand by their products. Also, why would't you use gypsum with gypsum when the guarantee is there?

 

[Dumbo]

hahaha. Nope, i've never heard of one just holding their hands up but Tilemaster have a great reputation, engage with fixers and stand by their products. Also, why would't you use gypsum with gypsum when the guarantee is there?

As I said guarantees are worthless . It was. Delete as appropriate . To wet, to dry, to cold, to hot , what primer ! .
I have had adhesive manufacturers tell me OK to do a job a certain way then when I ask them to send a written spec saying the same They then backed out .

 

[hmtiling]

As I said guarantees are worthless . It was. Delete as appropriate . To wet, to dry, to cold, to hot , what primer ! .
I have had adhesive manufacturers tell me OK to do a job a certain way then when I ask them to send a written spec saying the same They then backed out .

Have you had a few failures then?

 

[Rich Midge]

We had a big job fail after being specced by the addy manufacturer. They made a couple of site visits while the place was being built and produced a comprehensive spec sheet which was followed to the letter, what size spacer, exact location of movement joints etc. Flatly refused to admit their products had failed. The job was obviously put right at great expense to my brother in law who I was subbing for. The addy manufacturer also lost their supply contract with him £££££s but didn't seem to care less.

 

[Dumbo]

Have you had a few failures then?

Not really . Had a problem with grout colour that was wrong but they said it was with tolerance of colour variation. But know of tilers who have had problems with adhesive . He other no help. And you hear all sorts of things over the years non of which I can remember. I will always listen to manufacturers . But if I'm not happy I will let somebody else do it. Don't get me wrong I like a challenge but it has to last and not fail . I will give one for instance ufh manufacturers were recommending installing tiles directly on heat mats we are tiler I know questioned warmup over this at a trade show telling them it was crap they agreed and said they only said that to get diy market . But that doesn't help you at customers house .

 

[Dumbo]

We had a big job fail after being specced by the addy manufacturer. They made a couple of site visits while the place was being built and produced a comprehensive spec sheet which was followed to the letter, what size spacer, exact location of movement joints etc. Flatly refused to admit their products had failed. The job was obviously put right at great expense to my brother in law who I was subbing for. The addy manufacturer also lost their supply contract with him £££££s but didn't seem to care less.

They don't seem to care . I wanted help with this dodgy grout . Next customer who I visited who was going to get tiles from retailer who didn't help me. I said have you looked at this other Tile shop . They went there bought Tiles that was 1700 quid first retailer lost and they lost more since. Don't forget if you by products from retailer your contract is with them not the manufacturer.

 

[Dumbo]

We had a big job fail after being specced by the addy manufacturer. They made a couple of site visits while the place was being built and produced a comprehensive spec sheet which was followed to the letter, what size spacer, exact location of movement joints etc. Flatly refused to admit their products had failed. The job was obviously put right at great expense to my brother in law who I was subbing for. The addy manufacturer also lost their supply contract with him £££££s but didn't seem to care less.

Also should of seen the look on the tech reps face when he wanted to take grout bag away for testing and I told him he couldn't have the whole bag as I didn't trust his company so I needed to keep some for myself

 

[Uheat - Neil]

Just looking for some clarification.

I have a 28 sq metre screed slab, Gyvlon Thermio liquid screed, with wet UFH. The laitance has been taken off and it's fully dried. There are no cracks.

After its been primed with APD, will BAL rapid set flexible fibre be ok without a decoupling mat?

The BAL docs say 'may' be used. They appear to only say that the mat is mandatory on wooden substrates.

If a mat is requied, how much adhesive should go under it and on top? 6mm notch trowel above and below mat?

Tiles will be travertine.

Using the mat adds another £500 of materials...ish... 2 layers of adhesive and the mat...


Cheers!

Hi Richard
If you are at the quote stage for the project,we can offer great prices to forum members..
a combination 3 electric mats totalling 25 sqm , would give you a coverage of 89%
Regards Neil --uheat.co.uk