tiling on artex

[CLAYS TILES]

hi all,
I had a call from customer today asking me if i would tile over artex?

I said no it needed to be removed etc.

just wondering wot you guys would do in this situation & preperation etc?

 

[Daz]

I start a job on Monday where the walls were all artexed.
I told the customer that the artex had to be removed and I arranged for a plasterer mate of mine to skim the walls in preparation for my tiling.
Went to have a look yesterday and the plaster has dried nicely, so I've now got flat strong(er) walls to tile onto.

The customer was moaning that their other tiler (who now lives abroad) tiled the en-suite straight over the artex, but I explained that it is not good practice because you won't get sufficient adhesive coverage. Besides when I gave the artex a poke, it just crumbled off the wall so it wasn't too difficult to make the customer understand that I need a solid and reliable substrate to tile onto.

 

[White Room]

The trouble with artex it will soften with moisture even after many years A wall paper steamer is usualy good, If it has been painted with silk emulsion it will be a pain to break the surface. If you can determine how old it is, it could have very small amounts of aspestos so you don't want loads of dust floating around, When artex was first made to late eighties was when the mix had the bad stuff in it

 

[Fekin]

I'd always rip the lot off first.

 

[Grace'sDad]

I've said this before coz I've LOADS of painful experience with Artex. My own house was full of it (and woodchip!).

Forget steaming. Forget special stripping chemicals. Get yourself a nice tyvek suit with a hood, a good mask (FP3 rated) and goggles and use a jumbo decorators scraper. The kind with the long handle and 6" razor blade. This will remove it nicely and quickly, normally cutting through to the original plaster underneath. Leaving you to vaccuum up, and prime the surfaces.

 

[White Room]

Did you that some houses with artex have had the boys in white suits in to dispose of the material

 

[Grace'sDad]

Eh? Was that a question or a statement Whitebeam???

 

[White Room]

It's a fact, Where a large company have been involved in refurb it's taken very seriously, I used to do artexing and when at the course was warned that older artex contains aspestos

 

[Grace'sDad]

Yeah, I read that too somewhere. Pre 1980 it can contain small amounts. It's hard to tell but apparantly you can see it as small silvery specs in among the white dust.

That's why I said about the quality mask, tyvek suit and goggles.
I sent the family away for the weekend while I stripped it all out, and used an industrial vac hired from Hewdens.

 

[White Room]

Good man protect your family, But you can't allways see the danger

 

[CLAYS TILES]

thanks for ALL the replies!
i was thinking excactly the same,i'm glad you all cleared that up 4 me!

 

[GazTech]

Yeah, I read that too somewhere. Pre 1980 it can contain small amounts. It's hard to tell but apparantly you can see it as small silvery specs in among the white dust.

That's why I said about the quality mask, tyvek suit and goggles.
I sent the family away for the weekend while I stripped it all out, and used an industrial vac hired from Hewdens.

Probably the two most common places to find asbestos in the home are old artex ceilings and garage roofs. Artex, up until about 1980, somtimes contained white asbestos as a filler but it was fairly rare (very infrequently you can get Artex that contains blue and or brown asbestos - that's more of a problem). Garage roofs are quite commonly asbestos cement / board which is normally a grey material often smooth on one side and dimpled on the other....Gaz

 

[bj F]

I start a job on Monday where the walls were all artexed.
I told the customer that the artex had to be removed and I arranged for a plasterer mate of mine to skim the walls in preparation for my tiling.
Went to have a look yesterday and the plaster has dried nicely, so I've now got flat strong(er) walls to tile onto.

The customer was moaning that their other tiler (who now lives abroad) tiled the en-suite straight over the artex, but I explained that it is not good practice because you won't get sufficient adhesive coverage. Besides when I gave the artex a poke, it just crumbled off the wall so it wasn't too difficult to make the customer understand that I need a solid and reliable substrate to tile onto.

Did the plasterer remove the artex or did he just skim over the top of it?

 

[Spirit]

I would always cover with a tile backer board. No asbestos risk, clean, quick and no chance of it peeling off after a few years.

Although plasterers skim over the top of Artex regularly and with great success, it only has to carry the weight of a coat of paint. The weak link will always be the Artex layer, which could softed and pull away if damp.

 

[Daz]

Did the plasterer remove the artex or did he just skim over the top of it?

Removed the Artex first; well it just crumbled off the wall actually - :lol: