Must I insulate concrete floor before laying heatmat

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Hi all

I have a new conservatory floor that will be receiving electrical underfloor heatmat and then will be tiled. The builder has laid a layer of polystyrene(about 20 to 30mm thick) on top of the concrete before laying the final screed of about 75mm. They did it to save cost on the screed (i.e. made a calculation error when calculating their finished floor level initially).

My question is whether I need to lay insulation board before the heatmat if there is polystyrene under the screed. There will obviously be heat transferred into the screed, but is it really going to be substantial enough to justify insulation board. Let's say the u/f heating kicks in at 6am and then shuts off at 10 pm again. Is the screed going to loose it's heat substantially enough during the shutdown period. It's quite a sizeable conservatory (25sq.m) which has no rads. Therefor, the u/f heating will be the sole heat source.

Also, my concern is whether the layer of polystyrene poses a risk for the screed to crack easier in time ... not so good for tiled floor.

I'd obviously want to save costs for the client but not forgetting longterm implications. Insulating the floor(6mm) will cost about £500 lab & mats.

I look forward to your posts and say thank you in advance.

Ren+
 
Hi ren...

Obvioulsy the poly boards down will help with insulation.....but the ufh will have to heat the screed as you say....but the cost of the boards will be recouped in the first year or so of running it...

If you click on the U-heat logo on the right,,,they sell insulation boards at an unbeatable price...about £85 for what you need there, then adhesive on top...so alot cheaper..
 
Thx Dave. Had a quick look. 6mm boards for 25sq.m comes to £184. Need to put lab., addy (guess about 3 bags OPF)and margin on that.
 
I worked it out wrong last time..


right...

6mm board...1200 x 600 = 0.72 sqr mtr a board...

25 mtrs devided by 0.72 = 34.7 boards..so 35 boards...at £4.60 a board...- £161.....and you can save more buy getting the ufh there aswell.....
 
UHeat also supply an even more discounted board called "Eco Board"
This basically has the same insulating properties as the usual boards, but is not as rigid. This is because it does not have the hard outer shell. So you have to treat it with a little more care. UHeat recommend that you prime both sides before fixing, as usual with flexi adhesive.
Fraction of the price of other boards.
Not tried it yet, but intend to next time the occasion arises
 
Thx Leatherface. That's the one Dave and I have been pricing on (EkoBOARD). Ok, I worked on 40 boards at 4.60 ea. Just allowed for waste cuts. Must say, prices are good for insulation. I found the heatmats at Floorheating appear to be better priced.
 
Thx Leatherface. That's the one Dave and I have been pricing on (EkoBOARD). Ok, I worked on 40 boards at 4.60 ea. Just allowed for waste cuts. Must say, prices are good for insulation. I found the heatmats at Floorheating appear to be better priced.[/QUOt

Did you get a price on UHeats "Eco Heat" heating ?
basically the same product, but less money spent on fancy brochures and packaging. Only comes with ten year guarantee instead of lifetime.
Me thinks ten years is still very good.
 

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