liquid damp proof membrane help please

[peckers]

Hi guys and girls, i need to apply a liquid dpm to a screeded floor as the floor has no dpm in it and it is damp.
the floor was covered in lino and under that is a black bitumen paint onto a screeded floor.

I am tiling it with porcelain tiles but i need to cure the damp issue first!

I have been looking at mapei mapeproof esm and ardex dpm
has anyone used either or does anyone else know of another product that can be used?

thanks steve...

 

[Ajax123]

used Ardex DPM before but not sure if it can go over Bitumen. I used lots of different ones in my time. Most epoxy DPM's are pretty easy to use and most are very similar to use. I would go for a one coat system if possible. Quicker and easier IMO and less risk of 2 coats coming apart.

Merlin COatings might be worth a call as the guy who runs that used to wok in petrochemicals so will know for sure its compatibility with Bitumen. Other than that, flowcrete, tremco, laybond, all have DPM's available

 

[peckers]

used Ardex DPM before but not sure if it can go over Bitumen. I used lots of different ones in my time. Most epoxy DPM's are pretty easy to use and most are very similar to use. I would go for a one coat system if possible. Quicker and easier IMO and less risk of 2 coats coming apart.

Merlin COatings might be worth a call as the guy who runs that used to wok in petrochemicals so will know for sure its compatibility with Bitumen. Other than that, flowcrete, tremco, laybond, all have DPM's available

thanks ajax i was hopeing you was on here watching, and yes both mapei and ardex have stated that area must be clean etc on there data sheets. that was the next question best way to remove this covering scabbling perhaps???

 

[Ajax123]

How big an area is it? you might be better with a grinder than a scabbler. Truble with scabbling it is very aggressive and can crack and damage screeds if they are not hard enough.....

 

[Ajax123]

Just looked at the Merlin data sheet. That says must be clean and free of grease and oil etc so cleaning it up is the way to go.

Would uncoupling be better than DPM - not sure.....

 

[peckers]

Just looked at the Merlin data sheet. That says must be clean and free of grease and oil etc so cleaning it up is the way to go.

Would uncoupling be better than DPM - not sure.....

the area is 20m2 i did think about grinding it but thought it would clog up the disc/brushes in no time at all rendering it useless, was wondering if there was a solvent i could use woulld be messy though

wheres dave when you need him he would know about a decoupler. my only thoughts on this is that ditra is meant to stop moisture from the top not underneath although it does allow for vapour to pass threw but as this floor area is constantly damp im not sure if this would work?

 

[Ajax123]

the area is 20m2 i did think about grinding it but thought it would clog up the disc/brushes in no time at all rendering it useless, was wondering if there was a solvent i could use woulld be messy though

wheres dave when you need him he would know about a decoupler. my only thoughts on this is that ditra is meant to stop moisture from the top not underneath although it does allow for vapour to pass threw but as this floor area is constantly damp im not sure if this would work?

Not sure that is quite right but not going to argue as thinking about it they are not good for rising damp so maybe not such a good idea.
Have seen a few threads previously on this but can't work out how to search them. Think most of them settled on the hand grinder idea.

 

[Rob Z]

Peckers, I mentioned this on another thread...this is what I have access to here, but Ajax suggested I check out Euclid for their vapor reduction coatings. One reason that I like Laticrete 312 is that is made by a tile setting products company with the tile job in mind. I've seen other prodiucts which aren't necessarily designed to set tile directly over them.


LATICRETE® International > Architects > Products > Vapor Reduction

 

[DHTiling]

Hi Peckers mate..


You need to remove the bitumen coating..then apply a liquid DPM..

No way around it for a long lasting cure.

These 2 grinder attachments from tradetiler will help with this clean up..


Cupped Diamond Wheel


Fits standard type 115 mm angle grinders (100 mm x 22.2mm bore.)


Ideal for grinding away bumps in uneven concrete floors and keying old tiles or terrazzo before tiling




Wire Brush for Angle Grinder


A very aggressive wire brush for use in an angle grinder - You will be amazed how fast this works!

Use to remove all kinds of unwanted paint, adhesive, rust and other surface contaminants etc

Very good for 'keying' smooth surfaces.

- Hardend & twisted 0.5 mm steel strands
- 75 mm Diameter
- Standard M14 thread (fits all standard angle grinders)
- Max speed 12,500 Rpm



In this instance a slurry coat will not help in the keying process.

So you deffo need to clean the substrate first..

 

[peckers]

Peckers, I mentioned this on another thread...this is what I have access to here, but Ajax suggested I check out Euclid for their vapor reduction coatings. One reason that I like Laticrete 312 is that is made by a tile setting products company with the tile job in mind. I've seen other prodiucts which aren't necessarily designed to set tile directly over them.


LATICRETE® International > Architects > Products > Vapor Reduction

thanks for the link but i cant find anywhere in the uk for this company they all seem to be in the states any ideas? I am currently looking at all options, thanks

 

[peckers]

Hi Peckers mate..


You need to remove the bitumen coating..then apply a liquid DPM..

No way around it for a long lasting cure.

These 2 grinder attachments from tradetiler will help with this clean up..


Cupped Diamond Wheel


Fits standard type 115 mm angle grinders (100 mm x 22.2mm bore.)


Ideal for grinding away bumps in uneven concrete floors and keying old tiles or terrazzo before tiling




Wire Brush for Angle Grinder


A very aggressive wire brush for use in an angle grinder - You will be amazed how fast this works!

Use to remove all kinds of unwanted paint, adhesive, rust and other surface contaminants etc

Very good for 'keying' smooth surfaces.

- Hardend & twisted 0.5 mm steel strands
- 75 mm Diameter
- Standard M14 thread (fits all standard angle grinders)
- Max speed 12,500 Rpm



In this instance a slurry coat will not help in the keying process.

So you deffo need to clean the substrate first..

Thanks dave you have confirmed what i was expecting you would say(and it was in the back of my mind"it will have to come off") hard work again nothing changes :mad2:

 

[DHTiling]

If it was a bitumen pour then you could have but seen as damp is present then it isn't a pour just a paint or bitumen adhesive previously used for vinyl tiles..

So sorry mate needs to be removed... and charge well for it.... on that size floor you could hire a bigger machine for it..

But also a labourer will be handy...:lol:

 

[peckers]

If it was a bitumen pour then you could have but seen as damp is present then it isn't a pour just a paint or bitumen adhesive previously used for vinyl tiles..

So sorry mate needs to be removed... and charge well for it.... on that size floor you could hire a bigger machine for it..

But also a labourer will be handy...:lol:

fancy labouring monday m8 theres a :8: in it for you, i know im gonna need several :drool5:

 

[DHTiling]

Good luck........:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Rob Z]

thanks for the link but i cant find anywhere in the uk for this company they all seem to be in the states any ideas? I am currently looking at all options, thanks

Steve, Laticrete is sold world-wide. I know at least some of their products are available in the UK because I have told other forum members about products and they let me know that they located the material in the UK. You could send an email to the home office in Connecticut and ask them for a retailer in your area.

 

[Rob Z]

Hey Steve, Even better than contacting Laticrete in the US...here is your local contact info:



Country: United Kingdom
Company: C.I. Agents UK Ltd.
Contact: John Traynor
Address: Unit 18 Roddinglaw Businees Park
City: Edinburgh, EH12 9DW
Province/Territory: Scotland
Postal Code:
Phone: 44-131-333-3777
Fax: 44-131-335-3953
Email:
Website: http://www.laticrete.co.uk/

 

[peckers]

I have been on the phone to a few companys today reference liquid membranes, and i have decided to use one company for the membrane and the adhesives as this is the only way i will get a full gaurantee!

Mapei do a product called TRIBLOCK P Has anyone else used this before? there technical department has advised the use of this with other products to gaurantee that it will stop the rising damp.

I am also trying to work out the quantity needed and my head has hit a blank can anyone else help with the quantitys this is how you work it out!
we will base it on an absorbent surface, to cover myself.

mapei states..
CONSUMPTION
400-500g/m2 per coat on absorbent surfaces
there is 20m2 to cover x 2 coats total =40m2
it is packaged in 5kg kits

total amount of 5kg kits needed????? help please..

 

[DHTiling]

4.....

 

[peckers]

4.....

thanks dave and how did you do the calculation m8
i been stumped all afternoon on it, with my workings out i needed an arctic load :mad2:

 

[DHTiling]

I have been on the phone to a few companys today reference liquid membranes, and i have decided to use one company for the membrane and the adhesives as this is the only way i will get a full gaurantee!

Mapei do a product called TRIBLOCK P Has anyone else used this before? there technical department has advised the use of this with other products to gaurantee that it will stop the rising damp.

I am also trying to work out the quantity needed and my head has hit a blank can anyone else help with the quantitys this is how you work it out!
we will base it on an absorbent surface, to cover myself.

mapei states..
CONSUMPTION
400-500g/m2 per coat on absorbent surfaces
there is 20m2 to cover x 2 coats total =40m2
it is packaged in 5kg kits

total amount of 5kg kits needed????? help please..

1 kilogram(KG) is 1000 grams..

500g per m2 coat , so 1 kg does 2 m2...40m2 div by 2 = 20 div by 5kg = 4