53m floor

[Flintstone]

No mats! They have 10 bags of tilemaster rapid there, I told them they need 17 bags.
I told him I often charge £30 a meter labour only so it was already a bit cheaper. I also told him I'm not the cheapest but he will have a perfect job. He will get some spot fixer in I'm sure

 

[Spare Tool]

This is the reason I hate sqm pricing, day rate all day every day for me. To be fair from how you've described the job you could probably knock the main area off in 5 days so at my day rate id be in at £700 lab only.

 

[Old Mod]

This is the reason I hate sqm pricing, day rate all day every day for me. To be fair from how you've described the job you could probably knock the main area off in 5 days so at my day rate id be in at £700 lab only.

That's not really the point tho Andy personally speaking. Doing that job for £700 he could get all day long from a cowboy/chancer or however you want to put it. The point is you're a professional and for that there should be a minimum charge, for a minimum standard of finish.
Just my opinion tho.

 

[Spare Tool]

That's not really the point tho Andy personally speaking. Doing that job for £700 he could get all day long from a cowboy/chancer or however you want to put it. The point is you're a professional and for that there should be a minimum charge, for a minimum standard of finish.
Just my opinion tho.

So does going in at £140 a day makes me less of a professional then? If anything that means ill take my time and get it spot on instead of thinking..sh#t its Monday lunchtime already and all ive done is prime the floor and ain't earnt a penny yet.

 

[Flintstone]

I thought that the main area would be 5 days, then back for 1 day to do the small room which is about 5m for one day when it's ready.
Yes £1100 for the week is more than usual but I would also be laying about twice as many tiles as usual!

 

[Flintstone]

Day rate would equal terrible £ per m, probably similar to what Crap site tilers get per m for throwing em on

 

[Spare Tool]

I thought that the main area would be 5 days, then back for 1 day to do the small room which is about 5m for one day when it's ready.
Yes £1100 for the week is more than usual but I would also be laying about twice as many tiles as usual!

That's my point though..6 days for £1250, thats putting you on over £200 a day, no wonder they thought it was expensive, for a nice flat floor it sounds easy money!!

 

[Old Mod]

So does going in at £140 a day makes me less of a professional then? If anything that means ill take my time and get it spot on instead of thinking..sh#t its Monday lunchtime already and all ive done is prime the floor and ain't earnt a penny yet.

I'm not having a pop Andy mate, you charge what you like, it doesn't effect me!
But it does harm you, imo, not only are you selling yourself short but your driving down prices within your client base which makes it harder for you.
As local says it's twice as much work, just cos you CAN do something, don't always mean you should.
If you were on a never ending commercial project of a few hundred houses, ok, continual work, steady income, no problem.
But it's not, it's probably a one off client, and the idea of charging a certain amount is so that you can cope with leaner times. Supposing you had no work to follow for two weeks, what then?
I'm not directing this at you personally mate cos I know you stay steady with work, but maybe one day you won't be.
I'm not saying you should rip the arse out of it either, but £13.72 a metre for 600 x 600 porc!!
You'd get more than that contract tiling ffs!

 

[Old Mod]

That's my point though..6 days for £1250, thats putting you on over £200 a day, no wonder they thought it was expensive, for a nice flat floor it sounds easy money!!

So by that rationale, a tyre shop who needs 10 tyres fitted a day @£7.50
To make his overheads who in fact is actually doing 20 and makes twice his money @£150.
Does he then cut his price by 50% cos he only needs £75 a day?
And then works twice as hard for the same money!
Doubt it, do you? Haha

 

[Flintstone]

I see where you are both coming from and and depending on the job, I follow either train of thought, but this is just a one off client, and £25 per m is a fair price so that's that really. I wouldn't fit cheap white ceramics in a bathroom for 13 a meter so why should I fix large porcelain in a big expensive kitchen for 13 a Meter

 

[Spare Tool]

So by that rationale, a tyre shop who needs 10 tyres fitted a day @£7.50
To make his overheads who in fact is actually doing 20 and makes twice his money @£150.
Does he then cut his price by 50% cos he only needs £75 a day?
And then works twice as hard for the same money!
Doubt it, do you? Haha

No he just packs up and goes fishing at lunchtime
Unfair analogy really, what's a tire bay or any other retail outlet got to do with domestic tiling. I often tell my customers when they wince when I say ill do it on dayrate instead of a price that it will nearly always work out better value for them in the end. I get quite a lot of floors, but also quite a lot of splashbacks, I'm happy earning my dayrate for everything...oh and probably earn another £40 a day in materials on a decent floor

 

[J Sid]

So does going in at £140 a day makes me less of a professional then? If anything that means ill take my time and get it spot on instead of thinking..sh#t its Monday lunchtime already and all ive done is prime the floor and ain't earnt a penny yet.

far to cheap Andy, and us so call professionals don't think like that I'm doing 200 Mt at the moment, day to clean, prime and set out and another day loading out 7 pallets of stone before I start earning all aloud for in my meter price

 

[Italy]

So does going in at £140 a day makes me less of a professional then? If anything that means ill take my time and get it spot on instead of thinking..sh#t its Monday lunchtime already and all ive done is prime the floor and ain't earnt a penny yet.

So does going in at £140 a day makes me less of a professional then?

I think yes. I agree with marc, small jobs, not constant, imply much waste of time.
but I do not know, in the uk, the geographical areas prices. I could be wrong.

 

[Old Mod]

I think yes. I agree with marc, small jobs, not constant, imply much waste of time.
but I do not know, in the uk, the geographical areas prices. I could be wrong.

Yes prices vary around uk Antonio, but principles remain the same.
Do you not think that is true?

 

[Italy]

Yes prices vary around uk Antonio, but principles remain the same.
Do you not think that is true?

sure, here south Italy €, center Italy €€, northern Italy €€€.
but if andy okay, pleased him, everyone happy.

 

[Spare Tool]

far to cheap Andy, and us so call professionals don't think like that I'm doing 200 Mt at the moment, day to clean, prime and set out and another day loading out 7 pallets of stone before I start earning all aloud for in my meter price

"I'm too cheap" ...bit much coming from someone that works seven days a week

 

[Spare Tool]

This is all about personal circumstances, I am happy earning my day rate every day, it's all I need to earn in a week so will continue to do it

 

[Flintstone]

I'm the same Andy I don't need to earn piles of money, but there's principles and no point been a busy fool some times!

 

[J Sid]

"I'm too cheap" ...bit much coming from someone that works seven days a week

many, many pound notes need to pay for expensive wife, house and garden project.
but your right, with be upping my prices soon

 

[Time's Ran Out]

That's not really the point tho Andy personally speaking. Doing that job for £700 he could get all day long from a cowboy/chancer or however you want to put it. The point is you're a professional and for that there should be a minimum charge, for a minimum standard of finish.
Just my opinion tho.

That's a bit insulting to many professional tilers out there who are not fortunate to be working in areas of no skilled tradesmen like the south! It's the typical north/south flat cap attitude that so many don't get, but in certain areas, like Newcastle, we have 15 major tile distributors/sheds in a 10 mile radius and a major tile training centre. So you would expect the competition for work is keen. It has NOTHING to do with a minimum standard of finish, it is just simply economics.
We did a Norman Tebbit a few years ago ( got on our bikes to find work) and now do a bit of work down there, so I'am aware of the regional variation in wages. But these threads that promote - how big is my wedge - is as bad as - how much is my house worth!
Earn a wage your happy with and stay ahead - be happy in what you do.

 

[Old Mod]

It's got NOTHING to do with 'how big is my wedge'
and you damn well know it!
Insulting!.......Me???!
You should look in the mirror before accusing me of being insulting!
You telling me that £13.72 m2 is a fair price are you?

 

[Flintstone]

It's nothing to do with that timeless, I simply asked opinions on a reasonable price, if you want to price jobs up on rates comparable to commercial rates then that's up to you but some of us know our worth. I'm in Yorkshire by the way not Monte Carlo

 

[Time's Ran Out]

It's got NOTHING to do with 'how big is my wedge'
and you damn well know it!
Insulting!.......Me???!
You should look in the mirror before accusing me of being insulting!
You telling me that £13.72 m2 is a fair price are you?

Read your own post in this thread before you call me Marc!
It's £700 for a weeks work- you compared a member a cowboy / chancer for working for that.
Everyone should be able to have an opinion without your personal attacks.
You've got the information at your fingertips - show me an insult and I'll leave!

 

[WetSaw]

Ahh the joys of self employment! I'd love to be able to earn £700 a week!!! I've never been bothered by how much other people earn, that's their business.
I can honesty say that I'm earning less now and working harder/ longer than I ever have but my life is stress free and I have what I need to live.

 

[Simons70]

Just lost a big job because the client don't want to pay the expansion joints(around 100 lm).
Email me:

-''With the premium rate quoted and accepted of £25m2 to install tiles I would have deemed included. Prior to you starting Hilton project we discussed going rates of £18-£22m2 for tile installation.I will try to get down to site myself to discuss with you a possible full store refurb to a Debenhams we are hopeful of receiving order not too far from where you are based. Thousands of metre squared tiling.''

My answer was:
-We agree 25 £ x mp,maybe for you is premium rate,for us is discounted.I quote for fix tiles 25£,fix tiles not include anything else.Please check the quote agreed by you''
Better stay away of clients who want to pay less but want top work,no dust,no noises,no rubbish.For this need Harry Potter no tiler.

 

[Flintstone]

Working on a day rate is just that. But in this instance the customer isn't paying my daily wage, they are paying x amount for a job to be carried out.

 

[Flintstone]

Or not paying it as the case may be haha

 

[One Day]

Do we wish there was a national guide price for professional tiling?
Would that help with the "discussion" here and maintain standards as well as earnings?

 

[One Day]

Personally - I love the feeling of coming away from a job well done (with a happy customer) and knowing that I have just earned the equivalent of 250-350 a day because I got it right.

Other times of course - I get it wrong - and come away with a much lesser equivalent day rate.

The ups and downs keep it interesting for me.

But - equally, I respect those who for reasons of keeping it simple/consistant - whatever - are happy to deal with daily rates, full stop.

In a capitalistic free market, if you're good - you'll survive. Irrespective of what the tiler in the next street / town / county may or may not be doing.

 

[peteablard]

Personally 53metres in one straight forward area isn't 5 days work, more like 3 with a possibility of returning for 4th day for a bit of grouting. No way I'd want to do it on day rate