The Testing Thread - Testing Tiling Tools and Procedures

[White Room]

That must of taken half an hour to write that lot out Ray......

 

[Protilers]

it took him WAAAAAAAYYYY longer than that.....he was using Gary's makita pencil!

hheheehhehe

 

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

That must of taken half an hour to write that lot out Ray......

yes it did and i had to cut half of it to much info and it did not log me out :8:

 

[Two-Trowels]

on this test we laid out bays measureing out 0.42 we the used 2 litres of adshesive a 20mm x 10mm half moon trowel then spread out the adshesive between the bays as far as it would go with good covarage then measured the distance covered

exsample
0.42 x 1.80 = 0.756 of covarage then diveded by 2 witch gave us a litre spread of 0.378 so if a bag of adshesive gives 15 litres x0.378 this will give 5.67covarage a bag

here are the results

tile master setaflex 20 kg 14 litres 0.42 x 1,70 = covarage per litre 0.357 x 14 =4.998m2 per bag

ardex 7g 20kg 14 litres 0.42 x 1.50 =covarage per litre 0.315 x 14 = 4.41 m2 per bag

ardex 77 20 kg 19 litres 0.42 x 1.50 = covarage per litre 0.315 x 19 = 5.985 m2 per bag

mapie kerquick 20 kg 17.5 litres 0.42 x 1.75 = covarage per litre o.3675 x 17.5 =5.696m2 per bag

mapie adesilk p9 20 kg 15.5 litres 0.42 x 1.60 =covarage per litre 0.336 x 15.5 = 5.208m2 per bag

tilemaster lightwieght 15kg 18 litres 0.42 x 1.93 = covarage per litre 0.4053 x 18 = 7.295m2 per bag

cercol 20 kg 16 litres 0.42 x 1.76 covarage per litre 0.3696 x 19 = 5.913 m2 per bag

weber rapid spf low dust 20 kg 14.20 litres 0.42 x 1.76 covarage per litre 0.3696 x 14,20 = 5.248 m2 per bag

bal green screed 15kg 17 litres .042 x 1.8o covarage per litre 0.378 x 17 = 6.426m2 per bag

bal fast flex 12.5 kg 18 litres 0.42x 1,83 covarage per litre 0.3822 x 18 = 6.879m2 per bag

to make this easy to under stand if the avarage tiler fixes 50 m2 a week 50 x 52 = 2600m2 per year this is how many bags of each you need

tile master setaflex 520 bags
ardex 7g 589 bags
ardex 77 434 bags
mapie adesilk 499 bags
mapie kerquick 456 bags
tile master lightwieght 356 bags
cercol 439 bags
weber rapid spf 495 bags
bal green sceed 404 bags
bal fast flex 378 bags

That's a fantastic breakdown Ray, many thanks. Any chance of a cost per bag/meter?

 

[Gazzer]

That's a fantastic breakdown Ray, many thanks. Any chance of a cost per bag/meter?

Depends what you pay for a bag though. The prices vary so much.

 

[Aston]

on this test we laid out bays measureing out 0.42 we the used 2 litres of adshesive a 20mm x 10mm half moon trowel then spread out the adshesive between the bays as far as it would go with good covarage then measured the distance covered

exsample
0.42 x 1.80 = 0.756 of covarage then diveded by 2 witch gave us a litre spread of 0.378 so if a bag of adshesive gives 15 litres x0.378 this will give 5.67covarage a bag

here are the results

tile master setaflex 20 kg 14 litres 0.42 x 1,70 = covarage per litre 0.357 x 14 =4.998m2 per bag

ardex 7g 20kg 14 litres 0.42 x 1.50 =covarage per litre 0.315 x 14 = 4.41 m2 per bag

ardex 77 20 kg 19 litres 0.42 x 1.50 = covarage per litre 0.315 x 19 = 5.985 m2 per bag

mapie kerquick 20 kg 17.5 litres 0.42 x 1.75 = covarage per litre o.3675 x 17.5 =5.696m2 per bag

mapie adesilk p9 20 kg 15.5 litres 0.42 x 1.60 =covarage per litre 0.336 x 15.5 = 5.208m2 per bag

tilemaster lightwieght 15kg 18 litres 0.42 x 1.93 = covarage per litre 0.4053 x 18 = 7.295m2 per bag

cercol 20 kg 16 litres 0.42 x 1.76 covarage per litre 0.3696 x 19 = 5.913 m2 per bag

weber rapid spf low dust 20 kg 14.20 litres 0.42 x 1.76 covarage per litre 0.3696 x 14,20 = 5.248 m2 per bag

bal green screed 15kg 17 litres .042 x 1.8o covarage per litre 0.378 x 17 = 6.426m2 per bag

bal fast flex 12.5 kg 18 litres 0.42x 1,83 covarage per litre 0.3822 x 18 = 6.879m2 per bag

to make this easy to under stand if the avarage tiler fixes 50 m2 a week 50 x 52 = 2600m2 per year this is how many bags of each you need

tile master setaflex 520 bags
ardex 7g 589 bags
ardex 77 434 bags
mapie adesilk 499 bags
mapie kerquick 456 bags
tile master lightwieght 356 bags
cercol 439 bags
weber rapid spf 495 bags
bal green sceed 404 bags
bal fast flex 378 bags

cheers for those results ray,

so, the adhesives were a much of a muchness with regards to coverage but the test confirmed that some fair better with regards to application and consistancy.. thats fair enough, i know that most of us would assume that anyway but its good to do a test and put it to bed.

you lot must be knackered at the end of the night after doing these tests but its all good fun and if these tests reveal a few home truths and open up a few areas of improvement for the manufactures to take note of, then they will have more than served their purpose..

nice one gary/ray/lee.

 

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

That's a fantastic breakdown Ray, many thanks. Any chance of a cost per bag/meter?

well can only give a retail as trade there are so many diffrent discounts

tile master setaflex £25 a bag x 520 = £1300

ardex x7g £25 a bag x 589 =£14725

ardex 77 £31.85.a bag x 434 =13822.90

mapie adesilk £26 a bag x 499 =£12974

mapie kerquick £38.84 a bag x 456 =£17711

tile master light weight £30 a bag x365 =£10950

cercol £32 a bag x 439 =£14048

weber spf lowdust £27.50 a bag x495=£13612

bal green screed £30.99 a bag x 404 =£12519

bal fast flex £50.99 a bag x 378= £19274

these are retail prices only

 

[Dave H]

Hi Lee, 365 drills are brilliant, for cheaper option B&Q drills are also good

 

[Protilers]

evening all......its been a while........we have been really busy.....

.this aside we have the Finale' to the decouplers test coming.........we also have the "lash clips" under glass test........and the coated Vs uncoated insulation boards.....(work in progress!)

cant wait........all the best

the lab crew!

 

[The D]

Here is one for (Gary Ray and Lee the test lab crew) I was told by a Wedi rep that you can use 9mm ply on to joists and glue and screw 10mm Wedi on top and that is as strong as 18mm ply. Maybe (Gary Ray and Lee the test lab crew) can rig up a test four us to see if this is an accurate statement.

 

[Gazzer]

Cant see that working myself but worth a try.

 

[The D]

I am not saying you should do this but I did get the rep to call Wedi’s tech lads to confirm that this was correct and they did agree with the rep.

 

[Spud]

I am not saying you should do this but I did get the rep to call Wedi’s tech lads to confirm that this was correct and they did agree with the rep.

thanks Deano if we do it would you like to come down and do it with us ?

 

[The D]

i have no time at the mo m8 but would love to know if there is any thing in that statement

 

[Gazzer]

I am not saying you should do this but I did get the rep to call Wedi’s tech lads to confirm that this was correct and they did agree with the rep.

No I wouldnt try it, I meant it was worth testing .

 

[Spud]

i have no time at the mo m8 but would love to know if there is any thing in that statement

no Deano I just thought as you thought of the test it would be good to get your imput on it, we can do it in the new year if you did want to come down

 

[The D]

no Deano I just thought as you thought of the test it would be good to get your imput on it, we can do it in the new year if you did want to come down

I didn’t thinck of it m8 I was just chatting to a rep and they made a statement and I thought that is one for (Gary Ray and Lee the test lab crew)

 

[Protilers]

Deano...it would be silly to try!....you already know the answer!.........c'mon mate....I know you.....you would not fix that way!

Would you?


Lee

 

[The D]

deano...it would be silly to try!....you already know the answer!.........c'mon mate....i know you.....you would not fix that way!

Would you?


Lee

lol

 

[The D]

Ok I gave wedi tech line a call today to see if they still say the same thing.
They are now saying 12 mm is the minimum ply with 10 mm wedi glued and screwed.
I do need to add this is NOT a method I would ever even consider using. But the fact still renames that the manufacturer has said it is as strong as 18mm ply so I still would like to see (Gary,Ray and Lee The test lab crew) do a test to confirm or dismiss this statement. Thanks in advance from an average every day tiler

 

[Gazzer]

Did the spec Joist size and distance apart ? Maybe the the joist have to be min 50mm apart ? lol

 

[The D]

They did not ask about the joist distance I just said I had a hight issue and one of there reps had told me I could use 9 mm ply and 10mm wedi and they said no it would have to be a minimum of 12mm ply and 10mm wedi and that is as good as 18mm ply.

 

[Andy Tiler]

They did not ask about the joist distance I just said I had a hight issue and one of there reps had told me I could use 9 mm ply and 10mm wedi and they said no it would have to be a minimum of 12mm ply and 10mm wedi and that is as good as 18mm ply.

Well if they've said that Deano there a bunch of A..holes! Mate.. Imagine a diyer phoning them up! They will say anything to sell it IMHO ban!!!

 

[Two-Trowels]

Any more tests in the pipeline lads?

 

[Dan]

Any more for any more?

 

[Dan]

Just bumping some of the older popular (sometimes not so popular) threads. Probably wont be current discussion these days but I just need to do it. So just ignore the thread if it's not current for you.