Discuss Sigma 12E XL 245cm cutter, first impression & trial. in the Tiling Tool Reviews area at TilersForums.com

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So as a couple of you may be aware, @Simon Dale his daughter Katrina, and myself are on a project at the Teardrop centre Swanley for Trimline.
Half a dozen rooms in a Florim 1800 x 800 x 12mm, which if you haven’t experienced before is like trying to cut Heather Browns with a pencil scribe!
Even with the use of a high quality large format rail cutter, which can cut to a maximum of 15mm, this stuff is like steel impregnated porcelain.
It’s not my first experience with this material, so I know from old how temperamental and hard this porcelain is.
I managed a 50% success rate with a rail cutter last time and had to grind rest, (cuts on the length are the problem)
With a different rail cutter and techniques I’ve picked up since then I managed to raise it to probably 4 out of 5.
As with all ex large format tho, it’s still not good enough.
Hence the excuse arose to purchase a
Sigma 12E XL 245cm (measures 280cm)
So with the help of Trimline and an order expertly expedited by Derek of @Sigma UK a 3 week made to order machine turned up in just 1 week, thank you all.
Yes it’s ridiculously big, there’s no escaping that, but what a beast of a machine.
Not only is it beautifully made, it’s lightweight (38kgs) relatively easy to use, and
‘does EXACTLY what it says on the tin’
as they say.
It cuts these pieces like a hot knife through butter, it truly does.
It’s changed the whole feel of the project, with dozens of cuts on the length still to be accomplished, instead of there being
‘dread in the air’ it’s all become very stress free.
The enormous cutting handle runs on an Aluminium box rail supported by 3 high quality bearings, one top, two underneath.
It glides along the rail with no hint of drift.
The 4 outriggers still suffer the inherent problem (well in my opinion) of being too far off the deck.
I understand why they need to be, but the distance in reality does slightly baffle me.
Yes feeding large slabs between the rail initially feels awkward and is a little nerve racking, however, it does become increasingly easier as you press on.
Not whole lot more to say at this stage, it does feel like a great buy, is it a worthwhile investment?
It’s too early to say for sure.
One thing to bear in mind tho, Simon does intend on renting it out afterwards.
So you know that 1800mm plank job you’ve got coming up that you were dreading!
This is perfect for it. :)

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So as a couple of you may be aware, @Simon Dale his daughter Katrina, and myself are on a project at the Teardrop centre Swanley for Trimline.
Half a dozen rooms in a Florim 1800 x 800 x 12mm, which if you haven’t experienced before is like trying to cut Heather Browns with a pencil scribe!
Even with the use of a high quality large format rail cutter, which can cut to a maximum of 15mm, this stuff is like steel impregnated porcelain.
It’s not my first experience with this material, so I know from old how temperamental and hard this porcelain is.
I managed a 50% success rate with a rail cutter last time and had to grind rest, (cuts on the length are the problem)
With a different rail cutter and techniques I’ve picked up since then I managed to raise it to probably 4 out of 5.
As with all ex large format tho, it’s still not good enough.
Hence the excuse arose to purchase a
Sigma 12E XL 245cm (measures 280cm)
So with the help of Trimline and an order expertly expedited by Derek of @Sigma UK a 3 week made to order machine turned up in just 1 week, thank you all.
Yes it’s ridiculously big, there’s no escaping that, but what a beast of a machine.
Not only is it beautifully made, it’s lightweight (38kgs) relatively easy to use, and
‘does EXACTLY what it says on the tin’
as they say.
It cuts these pieces like a hot knife through butter, it truly does.
It’s changed the whole feel of the project, with dozens of cuts on the length still to be accomplished, instead of there being
‘dread in the air’ it’s all become very stress free.
The enormous cutting handle runs on an Aluminium box rail supported by 3 high quality bearings, one top, two underneath.
It glides along the rail with no hint of drift.
The 4 outriggers still suffer the inherent problem (well in my opinion) of being too far off the deck.
I understand why they need to be, but the distance in reality does slightly baffle me.
Yes feeding large slabs between the rail initially feels awkward and is a little nerve racking, however, it does become increasingly easier as you press on.
Not whole lot more to say at this stage, it does feel like a great buy, is it a worthwhile investment?
It’s too early to say for sure.
One thing to bear in mind tho, Simon does intend on renting it out afterwards.
So you know that 1800mm plank job you’ve got coming up that you were dreading!
This is perfect for it. :)
Love the Stig, nice honest write up!
 
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Who's flying low on site today in the last photo then!?? ;):D
Wouldn’t expect anything less of you Geoffrey when it comes to your powers of observation. :p

They’re over trousers! :thumbsup:
 
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nice marc,
I often see that small cut being done on the sigma but it is always just cutting a tile in half.
what would be the smallest cut you could take of a full tile ?
You’re absolutely right Julian, got more to cut tomorrow and will try it out, they were virtually the very first cuts we did and we were being cautious.
More confident now, so will give it a go mate.
That small piece was the offcut from the full slab, so tried it with that first.
 

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Nah, just messing. I had an early play with one a while back and they are awesome.
Wonder how they'd manage with all the over-fired highly tensioned porcelain we find?
 
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Nah, just messing. I had an early play with one a while back and they are awesome.
Wonder how they'd manage with all the over-fired highly tensioned porcelain we find?
Very good question mate, in a way I’d like to have the opportunity to test that out, but I’m not so sure I’d like it in reality, especially if it failed miserably.
Job would get suddenly very difficult. :)
 

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It's the massively powerful and fast breaking action which i think might make a difference.
Might call Derek tomorrow and suggest a test. I have some absolute nightmareish 1200x800 semi-lappato porcelain at the moment and the old 3em just can't manage a clean break.
 
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I often see that small cut being done on the sigma but it is always just cutting a tile in half.
what would be the smallest cut you could take of a full tile ?
like the white foam block.
marc, how think should it be to get the best out of the cutter? Tile completely level ?

So been giving your questions some thought Julian.
Can’t state these as facts, but more my conclusion really.
Yes I’d say the piece should be Level, at least when it’s being scribed anyway.
I would guess the most successfully achievable small cut would be half the width of the breaker foot, so that equal pressure from the foot is applied to both sides.
I’m sure we’ve all had cuts go awry when the work piece leans to heavily to one side and lifts the waste side up.
Anything less than half the width of the breaker, and I’d probably give myself a 50/50 chance of making it.

That’s just my applied logic Julian, if @antonio or @LEE MAC could shed more light on the subject I’d be very interested to know their answer.
 
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