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All i seem to be hearing is these large companies failing or on the brink, looking at kier and even smaller ones like shaylers group, should we be worried at the state of the industry, is it a case of mis management, under pricing are due to the economy or bloody brexit.
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I only work domestic but I have noticed new enquiries slowing down over the past couple of months, and have had a few cancellations recently.
 

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It's underpricing and the fact they pay their management such huge bonuses. I mean they put in tenders then say we need another 20 million , how does that work . What's the price of tendering . I heard on the news that somebody like the CEO of persimmon got a 100 million bonus , then it got reduced to 75 and he left the company .
 
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Thats unreal, the guy that started that house builder owns a lot of northumberland farming areas, sure he still owns a big chunk of it, i had a spell for a few weeks where the phone never rang, worried a bit even though Ive months and months of work but it started ringing again, do you think it has a negative effect on peoples spending decisions.
 

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The first question to ask any new enquiry.
Get your terms agreed and the first time your money isn’t there - leave.
No carrot is worth putting your family through the stress that non payment will bring.
 

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I went very quiet at the beginning of the year.
Even had a week off where I ran out of work.
I'm convinced it was all to do with brexit, people worried about job security etc.
Now the government has ball's it all up I think people have just got totally fed up with it, and carried on as normal.
And Now, I've never been so busy, turning work away on a daily basis.

As for the big builders, I heard on the wireless, persimmons made a small fortune selling Homes on the government right to buy schemes, and in most cases the home owners would have been better off just buying the house themselves..
 

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I went very quiet at the beginning of the year.
Even had a week off where I ran out of work.
I'm convinced it was all to do with brexit, people worried about job security etc.
Now the government has ball's it all up I think people have just got totally fed up with it, and carried on as normal.
And Now, I've never been so busy, turning work away on a daily basis.

As for the big builders, I heard on the wireless, persimmons made a small fortune selling Homes on the government right to buy schemes, and in most cases the home owners would have been better off just buying the house themselves..
That's how I heard it on jezza vine
 
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IMO Brexit (and all the fluff surrounding it) is hiding a much bigger global problem.

The world economy never actually recovered from the credit crunch 10 years ago, a combination of the vacuum of zero percent interest rates and printing money has kept it at bay for a decade. When looked at in detail the major banks (particularly in the USA) are in a bigger pile of poo now than they were 10 years ago.

If you've not watched the film "The Big Short" I advise you do, it really demonstrates how ludicrous capitalism based on banking and FIAT currencies is. It also manages to do so in an entertaining and genuinely funny way.

Now is the time to cut overheads if you have any, save cash and put it somewhere it won't get decimated (premium bonds and such).
 

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lots of the large construction giants have little or no real control over the costs of building on site. they tender at rock bottom prices and hope to make their money by extras or spec changes but much of this gets eaten up by overspends, over runs and generally crap building. No such thing as a fixed price contract in reality. Lots of the smaller and mid sized guys get sucked into the issues due to poor cash flow brought on by extended payment terms and invoice querying. And Anyone who thinks Brexit is not affecting us is a nutter...
 

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@Ajax123 - I’ve been self employed for 46 years and nothing in the EEC or Brexit has any influence on my income. I will go anywhere to find and do work and all I ask is to be paid - not 1 person is responsible for my family - but me.
I’ve had £38 in 46 years from a British government in subsidy.
So if that makes me a nutter then give me the crayons!
I never voted to join the EEC, the Common Market for trade yes, but not to be governed by Germans/French......etc.
The opportunity to take back control was offered and taken. Democracy needs to be seen.
 

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The only way brexit is affecting anything or anybody is the way the government are just pissing about to make sure or try their dammed hardest not to leave .
Scaremongering at its finest
 

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What we need is someone who is going to go to Brussels and say " right who effing wants some " and to be honest I'm not his greatest fan but bojo is probably closest we have to that .
 

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To be honest I think bojo will be prime minister and will take us through brexit then once that has settled down good or bad he will then get the push from his own party
 
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What we need is someone who is going to go to Brussels and say " right who effing wants some " and to be honest I'm not his greatest fan but bojo is probably closest we have to that .
When the year 2K arrived 'they' said the the world as we know it end. It didn't
When 'We' voted out, 'they' said the world as we know it would end. It didn't.
If we leave the EU in a no deal 'they' say the world as we know it will end. It won't.
 

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Whooaaa guys... I'm on your side. Brexit or the lack thereof is affecting us all indirectly. It has caused uncertainty over investment in infrastructure and construction. That's a fact. If the tossers in the big house got on with making a decision either way the uncertainty would stop and things would move forward. I agree we voted leave, myself included, it should be simple... leave but they made it over complicated and we're still here....
 

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Agreed. All those that voted leave voted leave didnt vote leave with a deal i believe they all voted leave at any cost. We then had a democratic vote taken away .
 
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Well if you remember, Joe Simpson (the TSJ Editor) said (in not quite these words...) that you're all too stupid and should never have been allowed to vote for something that you cannot possibly understand, you great bunch of unwashed, uneducated knuckle-draggers!

(Sarcasm) ;)
 

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Well if you remember, Joe Simpson (the TSJ Editor) said (in not quite these words...) that you're all too stupid and should never have been allowed to vote for something that you cannot possibly understand, you great bunch of unwashed, uneducated knuckle-draggers!

(Sarcasm) ;)
Tbh I feel as a member if the general public I am uniquely unqualified to make decisions about our economy and global positioning . My view we should never have a referendum for anything .
 
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Tbh I feel as a member if the general public I am uniquely unqualified to make decisions about our economy and global positioning . My view we should never have a referendum for anything .
I think we should have a referendum on referendums.
 
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Tbh I feel as a member if the general public I am uniquely unqualified to make decisions about our economy and global positioning . My view we should never have a referendum for anything .
I believe quite the opposite. We have had decades of a philandering,lying,bs******g bunch of criminals at Westminster going back on promise after promise.
The British public were asked to vote on a simple In or Out question and Westminster has not carried the British public's wish's and it has just further compounded my and many millions of other voters views of what a bunch of self serving bunch of toads they are.
 

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I believe quite the opposite. We have had decades of a philandering,lying,bs******g bunch of criminals at Westminster going back on promise after promise.
The British public were asked to vote on a simple In or Out question and Westminster has not carried the British public's wish's and it has just further compounded my and many millions of other voters views of what a bunch of self serving bunch of toads they are.
You are right about the politicians but what do you know about European and world trade treaties . I maybe wrong, maybe you do have a degree in economics
 
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I do believe that when 27 other EU countries can themselves agree to what they wanted from the UK in a deal in a comparative blink of the eye, it must have been a very good deal for the EU.
 

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I do believe that when 27 other EU countries can themselves agree to what they wanted from the UK in a deal in a comparative blink of the eye, it must have been a very good deal for the EU.
Youre not wrong . But i still dont think that average british person with their grasp on world economics is qualified to vote on such a thing .
 

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