External Corner joints - are there any pictures please?

[Minnie]

I have an external corner joint coming up and am not mad on the idea of having to go and buy tile trim, but will do if necessary.

Are there any posts on here that show pictures of various ways of doing joints.

I have the option of overlapping one tile with the other, having them meet and putting grout between them or having tile trim I guess. I saw a post by someone on the stone tiling forum but there were no pictures.

Any pictures much appreciated.

I'd look myself but my modem's dying so I have to keep switching off to let it cool down which means my internet activities are limited to very short sessions. (I hope it doesn't die before I finish this job).

 

[diamondtiling]

Hi Minnie, are you using natural stone? if so you can over lap the face tile with the edge tile as on window reveals and sills etc, this looks far better than using trims.

 

[Minnie]

Hi Minnie, are you using natural stone? if so you can over lap the face tile with the edge tile as on window reveals and sills etc, this looks far better than using trims.

No, just very cheap tiles

It's for these two corners on the left.

I think they may originally have been done using what I believe is called a butt joint

Going to have to disappear for a while as have to go out. Back later

PS: I'm using cheap as I'm on a budget and because it's rumoured the council will replace bathrooms/kitchens at some stage in the next two years so they'd probably only do damage!

 

[diamondtiling]

They are ceramic tiles Minnie and you can see the biscuit on the edges, this is what will absorb water and grout etc, you could try and mitre the corners, its a fairly difficult job to do if you are not experienced with the process, you can end up with the glaze getting chipped as you cut them and you need a cutter with a mitre bed.
Looking at your pictures I think that trims are the way forward for you in order to hide the tile edge as they will look unsightly and give an unprofessional finish if left on show. Are you against trims in general or are they a problem to fit?

 

[Minnie]

They are ceramic tiles Minnie and you can see the biscuit on the edges, this is what will absorb water and grout etc, you could try and mitre the corners, its a fairly difficult job to do if you are not experienced with the process, you can end up with the glaze getting chipped as you cut them and you need a cutter with a mitre bed.
Looking at your pictures I think that trims are the way forward for you in order to hide the tile edge as they will look unsightly and give an unprofessional finish if left on show. Are you against trims in general or are they a problem to fit?

This is what's going up.

Sorry, in a rush. Don't want anything complicated :smilewinkgrin: Back soon

 

[diamondtiling]

You go and do what you need to do Minnie, lots of advice will be waiting for you when you get back. You will need to use trim around your window to protect the tile edges from chipping etc, have you considered metal trims? they look better than plastic and are straight forward to cut.
I am sure someone will put a few pictures up soon of ceramic tiles without trims for you.

 

[Minnie]

You go and do what you need to do Minnie, lots of advice will be waiting for you when you get back. You will need to use trim around your window to protect the tile edges from chipping etc, have you considered metal trims? they look better than plastic and are straight forward to cut.
I am sure someone will put a few pictures up soon of ceramic tiles without trims for you.

Plastic ones aren't easy to cut. I tried doing one with a hacksaw. It was a mess. I'm not very good with tools. :smilewinkgrin:

I've taken the practice tiles off the window ledge and think I need to neaten that up somehow. It has a cement looking base on it. Do I need to prime that with that Primer G stuff?

I agree metal trim would look nicer, but I think I'll have to get someone who knows how to handle a saw to cut it as it could be an expensive mistake.

Have to go out again but will post up a picture of the window sill later.

Many thanks all. For now

 

[beanz]

For cutting trim, get yourself one of these. They make life a hell of a lot easier. To be honest, i think trim is your only real option here. Try the square edged trim, as it doesn't really matter if you mitre it or not.

 

[Minnie]

For cutting trim, get yourself one of these. They make life a hell of a lot easier. To be honest, i think trim is your only real option here. Try the square edged trim, as it doesn't really matter if you mitre it or not.

Mini mitre box? What's that for, stabilising the trim whilst you saw it?

Would they sell them in Topps Tiles? I doubt they sell them in Tile Giant. They don't seem to sell an awful lot in there at all. I doubt they'll even have corner trim.

 

[beanz]

Yeah for keeping it steady whilst you cut it. You still have to have a tight grip on it, but it's much easier than trying to cut it freehand. TradeTiler is the only place i've seen the mini mitre box (although to be fair, i haven't really been looking for one). You can get larger ones at Wickes/B&Q etc. TradeTiler have a pretty quick turn-around though.. How soon do you need to get one (if you decide to go down that route)?

They should have the trim in both Tile Giant, and Topps, but if Topps are true to form it'll be twice as much there!?! lol

 

[Minnie]

Yeah for keeping it steady whilst you cut it. You still have to have a tight grip on it, but it's much easier than trying to cut it freehand. TradeTiler is the only place i've seen the mini mitre box (although to be fair, i haven't really been looking for one). You can get larger ones at Wickes/B&Q etc. TradeTiler have a pretty quick turn-around though.. How soon do you need to get one (if you decide to go down that route)?

They should have the trim in both Tile Giant, and Topps, but if Topps are true to form it'll be twice as much there!?! lol

My local Tile Giant don't sell tile files (the ones with the handle, only those flat mesh thingies), they don't sell hacksaws, they don't sell tile saws, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of trim either, but will have to check that.

Would like the mitre box immediately as want to start that wall tomorrow and I'm assuming you can only put the trim in before the adhesive has set?

Anyway, thanks for help. I have to go and keep my pub landlord in business. :smilewinkgrin:

Back later

 

[doug boardley]

You go and do what you need to do Minnie, lots of advice will be waiting for you when you get back. You will need to use trim around your window to protect the tile edges from chipping etc, have you considered metal trims? they look better than plastic and are straight forward to cut.
I am sure someone will put a few pictures up soon of ceramic tiles without trims for you.

will do

the corner on the left hand side is an external mitre that I did with some large format porcelain, but the look and method are the same as with ceramic

 

[Minnie]

will do

the corner on the left hand side is an external mitre that I did with some large format porcelain, but the look and method are the same as with ceramic

oh er, that looks beyond my limited capabilities.

Very nice though.

Right, pub beckons.

 

[Matt]

My local Tile Giant don't sell tile files (the ones with the handle, only those flat mesh thingies), they don't sell hacksaws, they don't sell tile saws, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of trim either, but will have to check that.

Would like the mitre box immediately as want to start that wall tomorrow and I'm assuming you can only put the trim in before the adhesive has set?

Anyway, thanks for help. I have to go and keep my pub landlord in business. :smilewinkgrin:

Back later

May I ask which store is your local Tile Giant?

 

[peckers]

these are ceramic tiles with a mitred joint minnie

cant get picture to upload sorry will try again

 

[A.J.B.E.G.B]

will do

the corner on the left hand side is an external mitre that I did with some large format porcelain, but the look and method are the same as with ceramic

That looks stunning. What cutter did you use for those mitres?

 

[lcjohno]

topps sell mini mitres. about 3 quid i think.

 

[doug boardley]

That looks stunning. What cutter did you use for those mitres?

thank you alphabet man (lol) it was done on my Rubi 200 LPS, a bridge cutter

 

[doug boardley]

these were done with the same cutter, all external mitres, altho for safety purposes, I recom

mended square edged trim

 

[Minnie]

topps sell mini mitres. about 3 quid i think.

Thanks, will try there

 

[Minnie]

these were done with the same cutter, all external mitres, altho for safety purposes, I recom

mended square edged trim

Are you sure you don't need to take a day trip to London. Brixton's lovely you know :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Minnie]

May I ask which store is your local Tile Giant?

Brixton. Why? Maybe they hide all their sharp objects out the back!

Why does Tile Giant not display any prices on anything except tiles?

 

[diamondtiling]

Minnie, cutting plastic tile trims is very easy, measure your window or corner and cut the trim to length, once you have the trim cut then you just have to cut the mitre, measure in from each end the same length as the size of the trim face, if you have 10 mm trims then the measurement is 10mm, the same for 6,8,12 etc, this will give you another line which will form a small square, you can then cut the mitre properly corner to corner, just practice on a bit of waste first, I cut them by eye but I have been doing it for years

 

[Minnie]

Minnie, cutting plastic tile trims is very easy, measure your window or corner and cut the trim to length, once you have the trim cut then you just have to cut the mitre, measure in from each end the same length as the size of the trim face, if you have 10 mm trims then the measurement is 10mm, the same for 6,8,12 etc, this will give you another line which will form a small square, you can then cut the mitre properly corner to corner, just practice on a bit of waste first, I cut them by eye but I have been doing it for years

Not if you've never handled a saw before. My bit of trim had jagged edges. Maybe I'll do a better job when I get a mini mitre box.

 

[Matt]

Brixton. Why? Maybe they hide all their sharp objects out the back!

Why does Tile Giant not display any prices on anything except tiles?

I just wondered which was your local Tile Giant as they should stock most of the things you mentioned (Sadly, we don't do mitre blocks or hack saws) but we do do tile files and tile saws. We also have quite an extensive range of tiletrims.

99% of the things should be priced, tools included. I don't know why they aren't priced in the Brixton shop. Can you give any examples as to what wasn't priced? Adhesive, tools etc? (Sorry to be a pain in the bum)

I will bring up your queries with the powers that be and hopefully they will be recitified asap.

 

[Minnie]

I just wondered which was your local Tile Giant as they should stock most of the things you mentioned (Sadly, we don't do mitre blocks or hack saws) but we do do tile files and tile saws. We also have quite an extensive range of tiletrims.

99% of the things should be priced, tools included. I don't know why they aren't priced in the Brixton shop. Can you give any examples as to what wasn't priced? Adhesive, tools etc? (Sorry to be a pain in the bum)

I will bring up your queries with the powers that be and hopefully they will be recitified asap.

From what I can remember, only the tiles themselves are priced. I had to ask the price of tile trims, tile files (the flat mesh things as I didn't see the ones with handles), grout, adhesive. They may have tile saws, I'll have to take another look. I'll go there tomorrow and make a note of what is priced. Maybe all the prices are stuck on the back, but I don't remember seeing any prices.

PS: I'm not saying I've been ripped off. I believe I'm being charged normal prices as I've looked on the internet at prices for various things, but I just don't think it's on that prices aren't displayed clearly (if they are indeed displayed somewhere but I need my eyes checked!)

 

[Matt]

From what I can remember, only the tiles themselves are priced. I had to ask the price of tile trims, tile files (the flat mesh things as I didn't see the ones with handles), grout, adhesive. They may have tile saws, I'll have to take another look. I'll go there tomorrow and make a note of what is priced. Maybe all the prices are stuck on the back, but I don't remember seeing any prices.

PS: I'm not saying I've been ripped off. I believe I'm being charged normal prices as I've looked on the internet at prices for various things, but I just don't think it's on that prices aren't displayed clearly (if they are indeed displayed somewhere but I need my eyes checked!)

Thanks for the feedback

The tools should all be priced (They should all be on the wall behind the counter with a price label). The Trims, Adhesive and Grout are not normally priced as they are difficult to label (They go in and out so quickly we would have to price every trim, bag of adhesive etc)

If you do feel there was anything wrong with the prices, feel free to post the prices you were told and I will verify them

 

[Minnie]

Thanks for the feedback

The tools should all be priced (They should all be on the wall behind the counter with a price label). The Trims, Adhesive and Grout are not normally priced as they are difficult to label (They go in and out so quickly we would have to price every trim, bag of adhesive etc)

If you do feel there was anything wrong with the prices, feel free to post the prices you were told and I will verify them

You mean the price list is on the wall behind the counter?

Why aren't the tools priced where they are located?

As for the Adhesive, grout etc. that's kept in the same place all the time, surely a price near or on that shelf, rather than the item itself is sufficient, but I've not even seen that.

As I said, I don't feel there's anything wrong with the prices, but I just feel like a pest (and tight) having to ask the price of everything. :lol:

For your info though, the prices that I can see from my receipts that I still have are:

Heavy Duty Metal Scribe - £2.99
Tiletrim Deep White - £5.99
Mapesil White Sealant - £7.25
Sealant Gun - £4.99
Mapeigrip 15KG Waterproof Adhesive - £24.99

I hope I'm not getting anyone into trouble here?

 

[Matt]

You mean the price list is on the wall behind the counter?

Why aren't the tools priced where they are located?

As for the Adhesive, grout etc. that's kept in the same place all the time, surely a price near or on that shelf, rather than the item itself is sufficient, but I've not even seen that.

As I said, I don't feel there's anything wrong with the prices, but I just feel like a pest (and tight) having to ask the price of everything. :lol:

For your info though, the prices that I can see from my receipts that I still have are:

Heavy Duty Metal Scribe - £2.99
Tiletrim Deep White - £5.99
Mapesil White Sealant - £7.25
Sealant Gun - £4.99
Mapeigrip 15KG Waterproof Adhesive - £24.99

I hope I'm not getting anyone into trouble here?

It is difficult for me to comment are whether they could price there adhesives etc. I know in my shop (Longton) we don't have anywhere to put price tickets for the adhesive/grout/trims (Not that would be visible). The shop in Brixton used to be a Tile It All or Tile Magic store so may be set out differently (I am just an assisstant manager in a shop so don't travel to other stores)

I understand your pain when it comes to asking the price for things, I feel the same way when I am in a shop :lol:

Those prices look correct from the top of my head, except for the Deep White trim which I am sure should be £4.99 not £5.99

Behind the counter there should be a section that shows our selection of tools/spacers etc and they will (Or should be) clearly priced. In my shop the tool stand is located next to the counter, so it is easy to see the prices on the counter wall

No, you aren't getting anyone in trouble (As I said, I just work in a shop so have no real authority :lol: ). Just trying to clear up some of your queries and get feedback on how you feel we as a company could perform better

 

[Minnie]

It is difficult for me to comment are whether they could price there adhesives etc. I know in my shop (Longton) we don't have anywhere to put price tickets for the adhesive/grout/trims (Not that would be visible). The shop in Brixton used to be a Tile It All or Tile Magic store so may be set out differently (I am just an assisstant manager in a shop so don't travel to other stores)

I understand your pain when it comes to asking the price for things, I feel the same way when I am in a shop :lol:

Those prices look correct from the top of my head, except for the Deep White trim which I am sure should be £4.99 not £5.99

Behind the counter there should be a section that shows our selection of tools/spacers etc and they will (Or should be) clearly priced. In my shop the tool stand is located next to the counter, so it is easy to see the prices on the counter wall

No, you aren't getting anyone in trouble (As I said, I just work in a shop so have no real authority :lol: ). Just trying to clear up some of your queries and get feedback on how you feel we as a company could perform better

That's a typo. The tile trim was £4.99. I would add that the guy did give me a discount on the adhesive because he knew I was unable to physically carry 20kg of the powder stuff up four flights of stairs so I bought the 15kg ready mix stuff, and as he knew I had lots of building up, he knew I'd probably be back for a smaller tub.

Yes, the shop was Tile Magic before. The tools are away from the counter. Will make a point of looking to see if there's a price list behind counter. However, I feel that as the tools etc. are on racks, they could be priced there without people having to probably strain to see the list behind the counter.

As for how you could improve - get a website up listing the prices of tools and maybe showing your tiles. Topps have one, Walls and Floors, Tileclick, TileDealer etc. At least it gives us non-professionals an idea of what things should be costing instead of having to go on the internet. You're potentially losing out on a lot of business because I've been going on to other tile websites. The only reason I ended up going to Tile Giant as opposed to others was that I live 2 minutes away so am able to carry stuff and pop in and out as I feel the need. However, if I had a car, I would probably go somewhere else where I could see prices etc. Obviously, if you get things onto a website, you'll be doing yourself favours. I did avoid Topps even though that's 10 minutes away and I don't think they charge much for delivery, but I'd read on here they were a rip-off


However, I may go to them to get some tiles cut, or do Tile Giant offer a tile cutting service as well?

Whilst we're on the subject, something seems to have happened to the wheel on the tile cutter. It's sitting flush with the rod instead of protruding so I can't cut any tiles. :mad2:

How much would a new one of those be in Tile Giant please? It's a Star 40 tile cutter if that helps.