Wetroom tray envelope cut setting out challenge

[SB4U]

As the replies I got to my previous setting out post were so helpful so I thought I'd ask for your setting out advice again if I may. This time it's the floor, and especially around the wetroom tray former.

The tiles are 330mm and the tray former is 1350x1050 with the drain at an awkward non central location.

Do you think the first attached pic shows the best way to do it? I wonder if the small cuts at top and left of the former will be a problem. They'll be about 90mm.

If I move the tiles over so that the edges of the former align with the tiles then I've got slivers at the edges of the room and a strange configuration at the drain, as per the second attached pic.

What do you think?

Steve

 

[Dan]

What software are you using to create that?

 

[Dan]

I'd opt for option 1 by the way. Overall it looks best.

If there's no screen or glass involved anyway.

 

[SB4U]

Sketchup. You can create the grid of tiles as a component and move it around to your heart's content.

There will be 2 screens.

 

[Dan]

Option 2 seems to cause slithers around the perimeter as well as around the drain. I'd still go for 1 I think.

 

[Old Mod]

New drawings are better!
Was struggling tbh.

If u used top layout u could look at not cutting the first tile on the left and top just maybe let the inside edge drop in a little, then from first full tile in former, tile it as u would expect. Make sense?

On the bottom drawing, is there not enough play to pull it down and right so the drain occupies the top left corner of the tile?

 

[SB4U]

If u used top layout u could look at not cutting the first tile on the left and top just maybe let the inside edge drop in a little, then from first full tile in former, tile it as u would expect.

I did wonder that, but I felt like it would make it more difficult for me to tile as I'd need to construct the slope in the adhesive rather than just go with the former's slopes.

On the bottom drawing, is there not enough play to pull it down and right so the drain occupies the top left corner of the tile?

Like the new attached pic? There'd still be some slivers and a bit of jiggery pokery on the edges of the former. The doorway to the room is on the bottom left by the way.

 

[SB4U]

Oh dear. I'm having a mare with posting today. Can I delete that last reply and have another go?

Edit. Sorted it. Phew.

 

[Old Mod]

These are to scale yeah?
Have u allowed for a tile joint?
Just offer up the tile over the former edge and see what you're left with.
I doubt they'll be a massive difference in height

 

[SB4U]

Yes, they're to scale. I made the tile size 333 on the drawing to allow for a 3mm joint.

 

[Old Mod]

Trouble is setting out to overcome problems takes years of practice. U know how to tweak it when you're there but on a piece of paper it's completely different! Haha

 

[SB4U]

Yes, good point. I don't want to overthink it now and then find it's a few mm out when I come to do it.

Here's another way I didn't think of before: (5th tile in from the left on the bottom row looks a bit silly though.)

 

[Old Mod]

Nope haha I think I'd still look at first idea overhanging. Have u actually taken a look at the height difference?

 

[SB4U]

No. I'll take a look when I get home from work later. It would certainly make cutting a lot easier for sure.

 

[Ian]

Don't strain your brain any longer, get a mosaic for the former

 

[p4ulo]

Don't strain your brain any longer, get a mosaic for the former

Gosh, I was just about to say the same thing....!!

 

[SB4U]

Really guys? A mosiac? We'd pretty much set our hearts on the envelope cut.

@3_fall Looks a bit too much to my untrained eye:

 

[Old Mod]

Really guys? A mosiac? We'd pretty much set our hearts on the envelope cut.

@3_fall Looks a bit too much to my untrained eye:

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A which is the level tile? Left?

 

[SB4U]

Yes mate. Left is level.

 

[Old Mod]

Well I'd take that any day!
Just make sure that tiles fully bedded.

 

[jobdone]

I would go for the overhang and a slightly deeper bed on the tray. It will look much tidyer and lose all the fiddly cuts.

 

[Old Mod]

Setting Out - Wetroom tray envelope cut setting out challenge

Testing testing

One, two, three,....testing!

 

[Dan]

Did a bit of testing today lol

 

[Old Mod]

Did a bit of testing today lol

@Dan you're testing every day mate! Hehe

Haha #only joking!
What was u testing?

 

[Dan]

haha I usually am mate lol on all levels pmsl

I'll let you know via PM in a bit matey.

 

[SB4U]

So just to clarify, are you saying to just leave that amount of lippage on those tiles or to build up the adhesive on the tiles in the tray to form a steeper slope and meet the level tile?

@Dan Are you going to let me know what the testing is about too, considering you were using my luverly thread as your test bed?

 

[Old Mod]

Yes Steve, just bed the first time into the former up with a little extra adhesive. Just make sure u have a full bed beneath it. It's not as daunting as it sounds.
Praps replicate it with a couple of tiles and a board first, just to see how easy it is.
You can do it!

 

[SB4U]

Thanks for the vote of confidence mate and your good advice as always. Although I'm going to have to give this some thought I think. I can't say that I'm particularly happy about doing it this way if I'm perfectly honest.

I'd have to lift all 4 parts of the envelope to get them to line up properly which will be a faff I'm sure. One of the reasons for buying the former in the first place was to make tiling the fall easier. Plus we'd planned around that size of tray with regards to the shower and shower screen position. I didn't think about the tiles lining up when I bought it though annoyingly.

No doubt it would look better without all the cut tiles on the perimeter though.

 

[Old Mod]

Don't be swayed by me if you're u comfortable Steve.
It's important ur at ease when u carry out the work
Good luck.

 

[SB4U]

But you're my guru.