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Protilers
I love to learn........and I have a water level.....
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The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP
I tend to do a grid of levels, I would hope that everyone on TF will know what that is, whether the grid is done by laser or dumpy, or both. Find the highest point, and go from there.
I have posted a few pics of the way I do this, it has nothing to do with spiked rollers, or guess work, it has to do with skill and experience.
Just for the record, laying self leveling compound, and laying sand and cement screeding are a million miles apart.
Slc is easy compared to real s&c screeding.
The void between the two will never be bridged as a bathroom tiler will never be a real tiler imo, an all round tiler will be comfortable doing the same as tiling a domestic bathroom/kitchen/ conservatory, as tiling a swimming pool,or a 10.000m2 floor.
I am a bathroom basher, but I like many other members of TF can handle anything tiling can throw at me. I hope I don't upset anyone with my candour, but I think you all know my views on this subject.
I have posted a few pics of the way I do this, it has nothing to do with spiked rollers, or guess work, it has to do with skill and experience.
Just for the record, laying self leveling compound, and laying sand and cement screeding are a million miles apart.
Slc is easy compared to real s&c screeding.
The void between the two will never be bridged as a bathroom tiler will never be a real tiler imo, an all round tiler will be comfortable doing the same as tiling a domestic bathroom/kitchen/ conservatory, as tiling a swimming pool,or a 10.000m2 floor.
I am a bathroom basher, but I like many other members of TF can handle anything tiling can throw at me. I hope I don't upset anyone with my candour, but I think you all know my views on this subject.
Martyn Leeds
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. Bit of a contradiction? Lots of opinions recently on what a 'real tiler' is. Doesn't really bother me 'cos I worry about me, and not about how real other tilers are or aren't
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One Day
My reply was in response to someone's earlier post about laser and "stick".
Thank you for your helpful guidance though Lee.
miself i would use a lenth of plinth before i got someone in to cut it down for me
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Mr Tiler
brian I think this is the post that has taken that thread just too far now mate lol
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The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP
I take your point Martyn, but no contradiction on my part, I can "bash bathrooms" with the best of them, I can also do swimming pools, screed/render, and not be afraid to take on a big industrial floor.
My point was to compare a tiler who has only ever had experience on dommestics, (not having a pop at domestic tiers) with somone who has done every aspect of the trade, is a bit like having a joiner who can hang a door but can't fit a kitchen or tackle a spiral staircase.
You are right not to worry about others. I don't, I was just making a point that there is a lot more to tiling than some people think. Each to their own.
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Peter
I'd strongly recommend that new tilers serve their time with squads doing big floors and commercial work. There's only so much you can learn doing run of the mill kitchens and bathrooms.
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DHTiling
In the words of the great tiler Mr Hobson ... there are tilers and there are tilers :lol:
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Mr Tiler
I would love to do that's sort of work.... as most see any tiler can go into a customers home and at the end walk away feeling they have done a good job... but some tillers walking on to a site would be walking away before even starting.
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Protilers
I have read this through tonight with interest.....
and naturally the forums are the demise of the skilled tiler...........we are giving away little secrets all of the time......
and I am absolutly sure I could give a newbie 4 bags of SLC to level a 1m2 floor and they will get it wrong.........lord only knows what would happen if I pointed at some sharp, dust and fibres!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tiling is an art.....it requires SKILL, Knowledge and an element of OCD...........you can not do a course and become a "TILER".....you can do a course and get the basics.......IE how to use a dry cutter/wetcutter etc....
you learn nothing of any "real" world use IMO...and you certainly cant learn about all the technical issues or product knowledge.......
Tiling is a game of experience........its a craft..........and it takes a fair bit of time to perfect it.......someday (hopefully soon!).......I might master it!
all the best
Lee
Oh and I hope it was not me that provoked/upset you Phil!
all the best
Lee
and naturally the forums are the demise of the skilled tiler...........we are giving away little secrets all of the time......
and I am absolutly sure I could give a newbie 4 bags of SLC to level a 1m2 floor and they will get it wrong.........lord only knows what would happen if I pointed at some sharp, dust and fibres!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tiling is an art.....it requires SKILL, Knowledge and an element of OCD...........you can not do a course and become a "TILER".....you can do a course and get the basics.......IE how to use a dry cutter/wetcutter etc....
you learn nothing of any "real" world use IMO...and you certainly cant learn about all the technical issues or product knowledge.......
Tiling is a game of experience........its a craft..........and it takes a fair bit of time to perfect it.......someday (hopefully soon!).......I might master it!
all the best
Lee
Oh and I hope it was not me that provoked/upset you Phil!
all the best
Lee
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DHTiling
I could not have said it better Lee..
Thank you 🙂
Thank you 🙂
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Protilers
you are more than welcome............but can I ask you a question Dave/Phil/Peter?
of all the calls you get about doing repairs and fixing failures etc......how many of them do you think are directly attributed to the forums?..........the DIY'ER giving it a go......the "tiler" reading up and giving it a go.......
I personally think there is a large amount of peeps reading up and "giving it a go".....and even if they are armed with the correct information.......they screw up the APPLICATION.............
just a thought!
but seriously.........Tiling is easy.....its simple.........I do it everyday......sometimes three times a day!!!!!
heheehhehhehee
all the best
Lee
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DHTiling
I find it a mixed bag Lee , from i can do that multi traders to short course i can tile , to just plain ruff *** tilers of a certain description..
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Peter
You can tell in the suppliers straight away.
"Four buckets of Showerproof and three 9mm white trim".
"Four buckets of Showerproof and three 9mm white trim".
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Protilers
hhhahahahahaaaa......I thought about this a while ago........WHAT THE HELL DOES "SHOWERPROOF" REALLY MEAN?...IN THE REAL WORLD?......
is it "waterproof" or "water resistant".......I know the answer but why invent yet another term?.......can I use "showerproof adhesive" in my wet room?.....can I use it on the floor of my shower?
afterall......it SHIOWER PROOF!......
ggggrrrrrgggrrrrrrrr....arrrgggghhhhhhh!
Sorry, its been a tough day........
Lots of love
Lee
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The D
and then there is Dave Howe
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The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP
Not at all Lee, you summed it up perfectly. I don't get upset so much as feeling sorry for the people who think that tiling is easy.
Even more sorry for their customers, I would not dream of judging anyone on this or any other forum, I made that mistake once. I will not be repeating that again.
Who am I to comment? I have had my say, and hope that members don't take offense or see me as arrogant. That was never my intent.
I just wanted to put my point across that tiling is a very skilled trade, with many aspects I have said before I am still learning after a lifetime of watching this industry evolve, and doing my best to keep up.
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Peter
You think you're getting it sussed and then a new product/technique comes along. :mad2:
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The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP
and then there is Dave Howe
Yes Deano, the great tiler Dave Howe, then there is the great tiler Dean Farmer. There are many more exellent fixers on here it would take all night to name them all.
Not trying to create a mutual appreciation society, but credit where it's due.
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DHTiling
Phil , this forum has some of the best there is IMO and i am glad to know them ...
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The D
I wish they would all do one so I can go back to thinking I'm the best ;0pPhil , this forum has some of the best there is IMO and i am glad to know them ...
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DHTiling
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No no no brums best looking tiler LOL
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Protilers
now that is a statement of an educated individual!........
nice..........and thanks!.........every day is a school day.............
nite nite all.......
I have to work in the morn.......and sun and Mon!!!!.....DOH!...........on the up note I wont have to listen to Michel MOAN 24/7!!!(the wife!).......
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DHTiling
But I don't live in brum. Lol.
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Protilers
gutted I did not get a mention............is it a northern huddle/cuddle?.......proberbly not............I am still a trainee........hahhahahhhaaaaaaa....
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Thak god you would have to live with being brums second best looking tiler
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Protilers
still giggling at the "appreciation society" quote.........hehheeehahhahhahaaaa
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The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP
Sorry Lee, you Gary and Ray are my favorite southern softies, (only joking) you are all top geezers imo. You are all invited to join the society. But you must "Big up" your northern bretheren, also the Midlands, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, it's nice to be nice.:lol:
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