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Snowfrog

Hi Dave, he has only tiled over the parts of the wall that weren't replastered. As to who is footing the bill, well it will probably be me, as I can't see him stumping up for replacement tiles and maybe new UFH.

At least one thing has come out of all this, I'm getting a new kitchen and he was initially promised the job of tiling the floor (about 17 square metres of it), but needless to say, he won't be getting the job. I'll get someone from here now
 
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Snowfrog

Just seen the photies, the job looks unbalanced too. I don't think insurance (public liability anyway) pay out for substandard work, only pay if persons or property gets damaged.:oops:

It does look unbalanced, when you stand in the doorway, the floor looks like it is swirling away from you. I don't think he has insurance anyway so it looks like I'm going to be out of pocket.
 
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DHTiling

It does look unbalanced, when you stand in the doorway, the floor looks like it is swirling away from you. I don't think he has insurance anyway so it looks like I'm going to be out of pocket.


You will use a propper tiler though..?

I can source one for you if you want...we have some really really good ones as members...

if this is the route you want to go then pm me..
 
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Bolter

It does look unbalanced, when you stand in the doorway, the floor looks like it is swirling away from you. I don't think he has insurance anyway so it looks like I'm going to be out of pocket.

Chin up mate, at least you got the balls to talk to him and you never know, he may be able to compensate you.

Send him a bill, and mark it as a copy will been sent to Trading Standards and BBCs Rogue Traders if he doesnt come to an amicable agreement. You may well be out of pocket over this though, thats almost guaranteed.

Good thing is, if Dave sends someone round, you will get an AWESOME job. Thats also guaranteed :)
 
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Snowfrog

Snowfrog , we really feel for you, hope you get it sorted. Has he been paid for those 12 days? hope not.

Jeez, has it taken him that long??:yikes::yikes::yikes:

He started two weeks ago tomorrow, so has worked 9 days on the job as he hasn't worked weekends, but the total job wasn't just for tiling. He removed t and g ceilings in the loo and bathroom, replastered both ceilings, the loo walls and half of the bathroom walls and been tiling for a total of 4 days and so far has been paid £720.
 
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Snowfrog

Well guys I've got an update for you. I spoke to the tiler the next morning and told him that I wasn't happy with his work and that I wanted it up and re layed properly. He managed to get up the tiles without damaging the underfloor heating, so far so good. Then all work had to come to a stop as I needed some extra tiles and couldn't find any that matched.

Eventually last Wednesday I found some 60 x 40 tiles which were a good match and hit on the idea of just cutting them down to 40 x 40. I told the tiler that I could only get 60 x 40 and he said he a friend who had a laser cutter specifically for cutting and finishing marble, which he could use, so I'd get a smoother finish. I agreed to pay him £15 as I thought it wasn't a bad price and would save the tiler's cutting time, anyway. So he came on Friday and layed the floor, 16 tiles in total, but still never got round to finishing the tiling around the bath. For that I paid him £120, plus the other guy's £15. It was only after he went that I actually worked it out that his work rate is working out at £50 a metre. Just for laying the tiles as I sealed them and they still need to be grouted. I moaned about it to my boyfriend and he said he'd have a word with the guy as he seems to be taking advantage of me. So far, up to the end of last Friday, he had part plastered the bathroom, plastered the loo and layed a total of 8 metres of tiles and been paid £1000 and cost me an extra £125 for more tiles and adhesive. Far from being a cheap job, he is working out far more expensive than any other quote I had and it's still not finished, but worse than that, I think the quality of his work is really poor. I've got more pictures to show you, if somone could kindly put them up for me.

I'm having the pipes boxed in and tiled over and the rest of the room is having a tiled skirting board. Well I noticed another problem with one of the floor tiles he re-layed, by the radiator. It was too short from the wall so when I rested a tile on it, you could see the gap. I pointed it out to the tiler and he just poo poo'd it as being a problem and said when the skirting board had the adhesive behind it, you wouldn't see it. Guess what he's done, he's shoved nearly a centimetre of adhesive behind the tiles, so you don't see the gap, but it looks awful, I think. Also because he's come out so far, he's now tiled over the feet of the radiator.

I despair.
 
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Snowfrog

CR, thanks for the sympathy, I feel like crying for me too. :)

Stan I don't think the Office of Fair trading will be able to help me. The guy was recommended by an electrician friend, I didn't get him through the yellow pages or the like. He was a good plasterer, but IMO, he's no tiler. I've paid him cash in hand, and I really can't see how I can get recourse. I know the guys name, well first nam, but not where he lives, nor anything else. The way things are looking, I'll just have to get everything sorted by the new tiler when I eventually do my kitchen.

Here are the photos, I hope.

Pictures by DaisysJ91 - Photobucket
 
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Stan001

snowfrog - please don't assume - he is providing a service - he is happily taking your money for that service.
If you dont know his name ask it, ask for a business card, take his van registration number, and take lots of pictures of his work. Get his details from your electrician friend, maybe he can help you? Have you given him an opportunity to refund you for the tiling work only? (if his plastering etc is good). You really need to take professional advice (which is free from OFT or your local CAB). don't procrastinate.
 
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DHTiling

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Snowfrog

Thanks Dave. :thumbsup:

Whitebeam, I know I can be too fussy sometimes but I have clear ideas of what I want and I really don't think I am in the wrong here. I've had all sorts of grief tonight because I've said I'm not happy with everything. My boyfriend thinks everything will look fine once it's grouted. I don't think grouting could possibly fix it and if it wasn't for Baghdad today, I would say what I think it needs.
 
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simhopper

Your entitled to be fussy, your paying for work to done to a standard and it certainly has'nt reached that.

Being fussy does not come into it

The works done is absolute rubbish,Fussy is picking up stepped tile less than 1mm

The plastering looks very poor, cuts and grout lines also poor

I would give him the oppurtunity to replace, if he refuses take him to small claims...The quicker people like this are taken out the trade the better
 
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Colour Republic

Let's get one thing straight, you are being far from fussy!

This is a mess; his plastering is nearly as bad as his tiling. Although I have great sympathy for you I am quickly becoming angry. The chances are you are so down about this whole episode that you will want to get this buried and try to make the best out of a bad situation and in the process this 'tiler' will be allowed to damage somebody else’s property. This is a prime example of what gives our industry a bad name.

You have been recommended this 'Plasterer/tiler' by an electrician, I’m starting to wonder what the electricians work is like now. I know loads of tradesmen in my local area but I can count on one hand the amount of them I would recommend to customers as I know if I recommend someone it's as good as my company endorsing them and me taking the flack for any misgivings they may have. You haven't done anything wrong, most people on here would advise you that if you have one workman you are happy with then get them to recommend somebody for other trades you may have. Our whole industry is supposed to be built on our reputation.

I would love our industry to be monitored and government backed but sadly I know all too well that our government would use it as an excuse for a stealth tax and in the process make such a hash of it that cowboy builders would excel because they would undercut the firms that pay to comply.

I'm getting really mad now...

Snowfrog, PM me your 'plasterer/tiler/muppet's' number so I can let off some steam:mad2:
 
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