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Looking for recommendations for a job I looked at yesterday, it’l be a high spec kitchen which will be having a tiled floor on the concrete slab. Now although I have installed plenty of electric ufh in kitchens and bathrooms none of them have been this size.
It’s all one floor area but would be best zoned into kitchen area 20 sqm, dining area 25 sqm and living area 25 sqm
What system would you guys us?
Mats?
Loose wire?
Grid?
 

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Thanks John!

Looking for recommendations for a job I looked at yesterday, it’l be a high spec kitchen which will be having a tiled floor on the concrete slab. Now although I have installed plenty of electric ufh in kitchens and bathrooms none of them have been this size.
It’s all one floor area but would be best zoned into kitchen area 20 sqm, dining area 25 sqm and living area 25 sqm
What system would you guys us?
Mats?
Loose wire?
Grid?
For this area I'd have to recommend a mat system with a SLC and then decoupling on top. The mat is so much easier to lay within such a large space and a lot easier to plan then a loose wire.

Just a heads up as well, 2 of the zones which you want UFH in will need a contactor to switch the loading of the matting as it's over 16amps.

If you'd like a quote please feel free to give me a call.
 

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Thanks John!



For this area I'd have to recommend a mat system with a SLC and then decoupling on top. The mat is so much easier to lay within such a large space and a lot easier to plan then a loose wire.

Just a heads up as well, 2 of the zones which you want UFH in will need a contactor to switch the loading of the matting as it's over 16amps.

If you'd like a quote please feel free to give me a call.
I don't think that's the best way to go here, I think a system like ditra heat or one of the many other similar systems, no need for levelling, and your only sticking the mat down and clicking the wires in, much less labour and cost over all.
 

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I mostly agree with @Localtiler mats like ditra e or dural cifh I think is the way to go us you get the uncoupling only point i disagree and that's because of personal preference I like to level over but I think we are pretty much singing of the same hymn sheet . Yes mats are quick to throw down in a large area but unless you spend ages sticking them down properly they float up in the levelling comp and I don't care if they are a sticky mat they still do it . In my mind carrier mats are the way forward.
 

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I mostly agree with @Localtiler mats like ditra e or dural cifh I think is the way to go us you get the uncoupling only point i disagree and that's because of personal preference I like to level over but I think we are pretty much singing of the same hymn sheet . Yes mats are quick to throw down in a large area but unless you spend ages sticking them down properly they float up in the levelling comp and I don't care if they are a sticky mat they still do it . In my mind carrier mats are the way forward.
I value both yours and @Localtiler opinion. Mine option was made up from my customers opinions saying larger areas are easier to do it matting. However as you say the decoupling method has become a lot more popular recently.

You couldn't of tried our mats if they peel up when they're levelled, we've never had one person mention that to us in over 15 years.
 
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I value both yours and @Localtiler opinion. Mine option was made up from my customers opinions saying larger areas are easier to do it matting. However as you say the decoupling method has become a lot more popular recently.

You couldn't of tried our mats if they peel up when they're levelled, we've never had one person mention that to us in over 15 years.
Just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean it didn't happen . I've never mentioned floating mats to any of my suppliers and I've had a few . Just take steps to make sure it doesn't happen .
 

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Just done a screed floor with DCM Pro, amazing how much easier it is.
 
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With the grid systems i know it’s a personal choice but where do people stand on slc or tile straight over? For me I like slc over elec as a future proof thing
I like the idea of grids it’s just the material costs are significantly higher
 

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The material cost of DCM Pro is slightly higher than say sticky matt but you easily claw that back with speed of fitting.
 
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On this current job I’d be looking at additional £600 for grid. That a lot of time to claw back
 

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Yeah, I think it was about £8 sqm more.
 

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Ufh equals levelling comp for me no matter what the system
 

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Scenario, the floor needs levelling and ufh. Why would I level, insulate, carrier mat and tile as opposed to insulate ,ufh mat, level then tile?
Sell it to me guys!
 

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Scenario, the floor needs levelling and ufh. Why would I level, insulate, carrier mat and tile as opposed to insulate ,ufh mat, level then tile?
Sell it to me guys!
I can't because I would do the second unless floor runs 2 " then I would level twice
 

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There's a few factors to consider when choosing a system for me. If a floor needs some levelling and im fitting porcelain tiles I'll most likely use a mesh system and level over it.
If the floor is good and doesn't need levelling, or I want uncoupling, I'll most likely use a membrane system. Also if it's a more complicated layout.
There really is no problem tiling straight over a membrane ufh system, you fill the cavity as you go.
 

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Check out our sponsor the wetroom store below used one of their kits this week and decent quality they do a loose wire system , mats do float in SLC stainless stapels fired into the insulation board and may mesh hold it in place obviously keep well away from the wire .kop

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