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Which Tile Adhesive Did You Use Most During 2013?

Please vote on the Poll. All answers can be seen by the members.

If you used a brand not showing then please respond with the make.

It might be due to trust, availability, customer preference, whatever. Just if you totted up the lot you used, which one did you use and buy the most of ?...

This is for 2013 only

ALL TILE ADHESIVE POLLS - WHICH TILE ADHESIVE BRAND DO YOU USE THE MOST?
 
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thought some might be interested to know why i changed to setaflex white last year.
apart from cost which is one key as probably use about 40-45 palletts a year just adhesive, mark of tilemaster talked to me about what i was after in an adheisve .
I explained good workability and non slumping with thick bed under quite heavy stone but most importantly needed to be able have enough time to adjust a large module of stone say 4.00 mts/ a long course of stone or uneven sized reclaimed .
We would need an hour or more sometimes but it was still imperative that the adhesive was a fast set and dried within its self so moisture not migrating up though stone.
he then said that he could manufacture retarded fast which would give ius that time especially in the summer.
i tried it out and that was the clincher for us as stonefixers.
you do need to make sure ok to walk on next day but then the rapid setting procedure kicks in and this helped me so much.
does anyone know anyone else doing this because i dont
 
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Norcros, but this is mainly down to subcontracting to a large firm in N Wales who stock nothing else. If I'm doing the spec myself I tend to go with Ultra powders. First used it over 10 years ago now, yet to have any issues, can't say the same for Norcros unfortunately.
 
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We'll set some multiple choices with other polls and next years adhesive poll but it would render the current votes dodgy if we activated it now.
 
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interesting to see how this is poll is going.
talking about uk market only and correct me if i am wrong.
for me i think it is a given that ardex/bal were the old school very well known and accepted quality product but came at a price.
mapei were late comers in the market here but massive in the world and all quality.
weber came earlier than mapei with a quality product but well after bal and ardex.
weber started cheap and have slowly lifted their prices .
mapei from world reputation came in higher than weber did when they started and interested to know what price difference is between mapei and weber .
when you know you have a good product that is user friendly it immediately goes to bottom line of cost saving.
of course you have to factor in yield per sq mt which may close the gap between the old boys and the younger ones .
so then there are the others.
i have chopped and changed between 4 of these over the last 6 years and all seemed ok until i started to notice problems as did others on forum.
I changed last year to one of the newer manufacturers as i think many others have and at this point in time there is only one stand out alone runner coming from back of field to the fore.
must bea reason for this .
i just hope that prices will not rise too much as a result but ineveitably will as need for higher technology and premises,customer care etcc comes in to play.
its getting a decent product at a decent price that makes a winner . canyt see myself changing anytime soon
 
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i don´t know how the prices going in UK but in germany its going to get absurd.
for example my favourite thick and middle bed adhesive for natural stone the ardex X32: 25 kg list price: 55,- euro plus 20% tax. (!!!!)
how crazy is that? what is it? is it cement with platinium dust?
if the trend goes on maby anytime we change back to cement/sand and tell the people if they can wait 14 days before grouting they save a lot of money for the flow screed and the utopic adhesive.

i always buy my adhesive on full euro pallets. so i always have 3 diffrent types of adhesive in stock. but this means over 3000,- euro invest on season start. wtf.
 
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i don´t know how the prices going in UK but in germany its going to get absurd.
for example my favourite thick and middle bed adhesive for natural stone the ardex X32: 25 kg list price: 55,- euro plus 20% tax. (!!!!)
how crazy is that? what is it? is it cement with platinium dust?
if the trend goes on maby anytime we change back to cement/sand and tell the people if they can wait 14 days before grouting they save a lot of money for the flow screed and the utopic adhesive.

i always buy my adhesive on full euro pallets. so i always have 3 diffrent types of adhesive in stock. but this means over 3000,- euro invest on season start. wtf.[/

so much do you actually pay for x32 per 25 kg bag before the tax after you get a discount for buying full euro pallet.
I can then try and compare what we pay for equivalent in uk.There will obviously need to be an adjustment for different weight of bags , so can compare like for like.
things will obviously have changed since
the times 20 years ago when for some bizarre reason I was doing a few marble jobs in Switzerland for wealthy uk bankers and mates .
but back then ardex was king and freely available in builders merchants at a reasonable rate for me as an non account customer compared with uk.
i guess and only guess that having lived in Germany who are so correct about all things technical that there are not too many new comers in the market that are easily accepted .
 

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I also think raine that for the most part you do bespoke bathrooms that don't involve big sq mts where you do the prep and thereby your coverage per sq mt per bag is good.
i also do bathrooms but also a lot of big floor areas and I can say categorically that I would reckon to use on average I bag x 20 kg for solid bed coverage of 2.25 sq mtsts. I am not talking a big notch ,we bed each tile individually .average bed @ 6mm.
I have done tests on ardex for yield per kg per sq mt and they have always been good.
 
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What a massive difference from last year already, and there's only been 100 votes so far. Tilemaster will be top next year I reckon, a few more retailers around the UK and the sales will rapidly increase.
 

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I'm surprised to see BAL so low, I know loads have switched to Weber, Mapei and clearly Tilemaster too these days but I thought there would still be more hardcore BAL fans than there appears to be so far. :-/
 
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I'm surprised to see BAL so low, I know loads have switched to Weber, Mapei and clearly Tilemaster too these days but I thought there would still be more hardcore BAL fans than there appears to be so far. :-/

Problem with BAL Dan, there is no doubt that their products are amongst the best on offer but, there are now 2 or 3 other manufacturers who's products are of equal quality (if not better in some cases), for a massively reduced price. What BAL need to realise is that we all run small/medium sized tiling businesses and cost of materials is of the utmost importance. Many people have had to reduce their costs in order to be competitive, and manufacturers such as Weber, Tilemaster and Mapei are producing excellent quality products at a lower price to BAL. They are trying to keep their prices high based purely on reputation, in my opinion, and it isn't working, as this poll is showing. If we had a similar poll for grout manufacturers used this year, they wouldn't be in the top 3 of that either. In my opinion, anyone who is using BAL for all their tiling material is throwing money down the drain and costing themselves hard earned profit. Harsh? Maybe, true? Definitely.
 
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I hear you pal. I really thought there would be more than 6% (so far) that use BAL though. Just due to their good ole loyals that go way back. Just a bit shocked to see such a drop.

You're right though mate, price needs to be fair, and the "pay for what you get" thing can only last so long with cement and additives I guess. Loads make awesome adhesives. I dare say some of the others with low votes are equal to the top guys, but just have less marketing clout and / or people on forums etc etc.
 
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Being a newbie and having only tiled my bathroom, I vote for dunlop. I tried topps own brand powdered, but seemed to take an age drying, bal just didn't seem as smooth or pleasant to work with.
the dunlop on the other hand seemed to have a more open time, better workability and the price was pretty decent from selco.
just want to say thanks for all the advice I got from this site regarding my bathroom and shower tanking project, will update with pics soon.
 
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