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The problems keep building (for anyone who's still following)...

I did arrange for someone to come around to look at this, but he never turned up. Depressingly, par for the course around here.

In the meantime, I'm going to contact Ceredigion council/Porth Gofal/whoever to see if I can find out how the wetroom was originally installed.

Anyways...I was inspecting where the tiles meet the vinyl, and spotted in one area a few grout cracks, and pin pricks in the silicone. I suspect I may need to remove the bottom layers of tiles (not sure how many), to check what's going on behind. They're only cheap 148x148s, and whatever I do with the shower area will probably be easier with them gone. Replace with proper board, tank...

Was wondering what happens if the new tiles are further out than the higher up rows? Cosmetically, do they have to be identical? If I'm re-tiling, I may as well look at replacing the vinyl and sorting the gradient out.

I'd like to change the round drain cover for something which doesn't need unscrewing to clean, or with a higher/raised cover. I can't see anything online which is suitable. There's no way a plumber around here would be interested in such a minor job either.

Not sure where to go from here. So many questions, so much searching for answers. I'm sure I'm capable, but I just don't have the knowledge. (I do however have a nifty new multi-tool and drill.)

Anyone fancy a free holiday (rural three-bed property, large garden) by the seaside of Mid Wales this summer in exchange for sorting out this bathroom? Materials paid for, just knowledge and experience required.

*sigh*
 

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I’ve been aske to tile a wetroom floor last week, it’s a vinyl floor and there is no gradient to it.
It’s on ground floor and in concrete. I suggested putting a low profile tray and having wate moved around ( all done by a plumber) then had call yesterday that they got to keep it a wetfloor ( rental property) so I said it will cost quite a lot to dig up and put a former in etc so maybe get lowest shower tray and I’ll tile the ready of the floor to that height and just slope the tile by the door threshold.
I’m still waiting to hear back
 
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I’ve been asked to tile a wetroom floor last week, it’s a vinyl floor and there is no gradient to it.
It’s on ground floor and in concrete. I suggested putting a low profile tray and having waste moved around ( all done by a plumber) then had call yesterday that they got to keep it a wetfloor ( rental property) so I said it will cost quite a lot to dig up and put a former in etc so maybe get lowest shower tray and I’ll tile the ready of the floor to that height and just slope the tile by the door threshold.
I’m still waiting to hear back
That's really interesting - let me know how you get on with it. A shower tray has been suggested to me, but I suspect there will be a problem with the odd shape and fitting the waste. I think it's all concreted in, which sounds like it'll make a former expensive too.

I was considering doing the *cough* naughty and tiling over the tiles & possibly vinyl (if I can sort out a suitable height extension for the waste). There's a 25mm step from the hall down to the bathroom, and 12mm from the tiles to the vinyl, so I do have that to play with for the gradient. Moving/replacing the loo will be a bit of a hassle.

(Sidenote: I popped in to the local tile shop last week, and the bloke there said it wasn't the first wetroom floor in the area that had the same problem with the gradient. Seems they're being installed on the cheap as a measure/bodge for elderly and disabled, most of whom (like my gran) pass away before the problems are discovered, are oblivious of them, or aren't well enough to sort them out, or can't afford to. If it's over a year since installation, they won't take responsibility for rectifying any problems.)

Called the mobility people who referred me to their technical team, but the fella there was careful to not give me the names of any contractors who may be able to look at it. He did mention a local company who supplied mobility stuff though, and I've contacted a lad I know who contracts for an offshoot.
 
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to my mind it's a rip-out start again job, so many potential failure points trying to make that a leak free wetroom by trying to makedo and mend.
 
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to my mind it's a rip-out start again job, so many potential failure points trying to make that a leak free wetroom by trying to makedo and mend.
There is that too. On the weekend, my brother-in-law suggested ripping up the floor tiles/vinyl and replacing them with something more modern. I've no idea what that would be and how - I'm not really a fan of the vinyl but it appears to be well stuck down, not have any leaks itself, and the curved floor corners would be buried under the adhesive filler I'll need to create the gradient to keep the water in the shower area. I'm considering it the pre-installed tanking layer!

When I can get someone in to have a look at it, I'll ask for this option to be considered. I probably can't afford replacement, but I can't rule it out yet.
 
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There is that too. On the weekend, my brother-in-law suggested ripping up the floor tiles/vinyl and replacing them with something more modern. I've no idea what that would be and how - I'm not really a fan of the vinyl but it appears to be well stuck down, not have any leaks itself, and the curved floor corners would be buried under the adhesive filler I'll need to create the gradient to keep the water in the shower area. I'm considering it the pre-installed tanking layer!

When I can get someone in to have a look at it, I'll ask for this option to be considered. I probably can't afford replacement, but I can't rule it out yet.
on reflection it's probably easy and blasé for me to say what I said, but I inherited a bathroom very similar and chose to rip out and re-do, the fact that I could do all the work myself and get materials at trade price, hence a saving of 40% made it more "do-able" does seem irrelevant \I suppose.
 
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I've seen that pic on another thread - it made me chuckle. Lovely animal. My two are a little smaller. And have more hair, when I'm not clipping it off.

I'd like to do what I can myself, and I don't mind spending time hunting around for bargains. I don't want to skimp on materials or take silly shortcuts though - that's false economy and what got the room into the state it is.
 
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Interesting stuff yesterday from people in the trade:

(TLDR: it's still total rip-out, or bodging it. FML.)

- Apparently there have been a LOT of wetroom failures around here, both recent and historic. There's even a video on YT showing a floor filling up.

- I popped into Plumb Center and picked the brains of the guy behind the counter. He said there aren't any shower trays which would be big enough (the area is 118cm wide) and the drains won't line up.
He thinks there's likely to be problems lurking around the lower levels of wall tiles.
For that drain, there are no extensions available, and changing the drain wouldn't be possible without ripping up the vinyl. However, he suggested I could elevate the current drain cover with a couple of longer screws. I'd still have to find something to stabilise the sides. Cutting tiles around a circular drain will be a challenge, but I think this may be my budget option.

- Also went to the company (decent rep) who're just getting into the mobility market. Coincidentally, I knew the relevant guy from the local cycling club. He's coming around next week to have a proper look at the place - to quote for a total redo, or for alternative suggestions. (He concurred that there are problems brewing under those lower wall tiles too.)

Both of the above mentioned shower panels to replace the wall tiles, but I'm not really keen on the caravan effect (I cleaned too many of the damn things as a teenager).
I don't want it to look like an old people's home either, and I think that'll be in their plans for a redo.

So, back to my sealing and tiling-over plan, with added replacement of an as-yet-undetermined number of wall tiles.

Would larger porcelain tiles to a certain height then leaving the white squares above look totally naff? Has anyone done an upstand like this around the base please?
pentyak - https://www.houzz.co.uk/photo/19297502-pentyak-transitional-bathroom
 

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