Is there an Alternative to The Tile Association (TTA)? - Tile Advice

[Dan]

Okay. I've created a hidden forum. And need some heads to put in there. Who would be serious about making a new association (I would just do some leg work, it wouldn't be me fronting it).
We need the heads like @Ray TT @ Porcel-Thin and @deanotile maybe and some other really respected industry guys.

Maybe @Phil Hobson - Who better for that?

And some other really established guys.

I've given @3_fall the job of choosing who we have in there to chat about it. Aim for a year end start April, say?

See what we can pull off by then. Let's give it a serious go maybe?

 

[Italy]

The Americans have it right. Two separate bodies - one for the industry and one for the fixers.
Ours is completely flawed and will never work because it's trying to be an industry body and only paying lip service to fixers.

also here two associations... ...

 

[Dumbo]

Also problem being the body that set industry standards don't want to share the information unless you pay exorbitant amounts for it.
Tcna handbook is 35 dollars

 

[Old Mod]

Also problem being the body that set industry standards don't want to share the information unless you pay exorbitant amounts for it.
Tcna handbook is 35 dollars

A mans gotta eat Jerry. 😁
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Anyway BS is around £1200 isn’t it for non members, $35 is a steal! 🤣

 

[Dumbo]

It's not surprising that there is a lot of myth and mystery about what is bs and what isn't bs when they dont want to share the information .

 

[Dan]

We can access British Standards for free. So can see what's in there.

But for them to manage get that one through the board / committee - "We want only tilers with an association like ours in the tile industry to be fixing tiles" when there is only them.

They'd have said "oh no there's the bathroom association so we're not alone".

But they wont take tilers on etc.

 

[acaciaguy]

Fully agree. You will be judged by the standards but not allowed them easily to work from. If they are really interested in raising standards give them away or really cheaply. It’s like being done for not following the Highway Code but you can’t find what the tiles are

 

[Dan]

50p to join

The
Workers
Association of
Tiling
Services

Fixers only. Non-profit. Tile to British Standards spec again.
We will do reports for the cost of expenses getting the nearest qualified tiler to the job to look at it. No profit at all from those. Take the report to court along with the British Standards paragraph.

We will be qualification based, or Grandfather rights and no quals.
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Fully agree. You will be judged by the standards but not allowed them easily to work from. If they are really interested in raising standards give them away or really cheaply. It’s like being done for not following the Highway Code but you can’t find what the tiles are

TTA don't make the standards, they propose a change. So we should have been at that meeting really. That's what they've blocked us from. The chance to have ours say.

British Standards are free, all day long, at libraries and suchlike.

 

[Dumbo]

But who wants to mess about with that . We should just have a book we can open at page whatever to check things or tell the customer that's why we are doing it that way

 

[acaciaguy]

i go back and forth over whether to join the tta. But I would defo join an organisation that helps the trade and for us to get better

 

[Tile Shop]

TTA don't make the standards, they propose a change.

BS5385 parts 1,2,3,4 and 5 are agreed and written by BSI committee B/539, which consists of TTA, Stone Federation, RIBA, National Federation of Terrazzo, Lucidion, FeRFA, HSE, British Ceramics Confederation, BASA and the Building Research Establishment.

They also write the other standards on tile testing ISO's, tile specification categories, slip resistance, workmanship, grout and adhesive specs... 35 currently published standards and a further 33 currently being considered, drafted or written.
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In a weird way, they get to propose a change, then in another meeting, get to agree on their own proposal, but have to be in agreement with the other committee members.

 

[Dan]

BS5385 parts 1,2,3,4 and 5 are agreed and written by BSI committee B/539, which consists of TTA, Stone Federation, RIBA, National Federation of Terrazzo, Lucidion, FeRFA, HSE, British Ceramics Confederation, BASA and the Building Research Establishment.

They also write the other standards on tile testing ISO's, tile specification categories, slip resistance, workmanship, grout and adhesive specs... 35 currently published standards and a further 33 currently being considered, drafted or written.
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In a weird way, they get to propose a change, then in another meeting, get to agree on their own proposal, but have to be in agreement with the other committee members.

So surely they have convinced the committee that this might wash with the industry, if they introduce it slowly and test the reaction?

If The Sun caught wind of it "Wall and Floor Tiler Not Allowed To Tile Loses Job For Life" it'd not pass at the next meeting when they propose it for 2,3,4 and 5 maybe?

Need this brexit lark sod off first. They wont run anything but that or a nip-slip at the moment.

 

[acaciaguy]

Being a member of the tta in and of itself isn’t a qualification. I’m not really sure what the base standard for joining them is. In order to join gas safe and any plumbing or electric approved schemes you must evidence your qualification nvq, city and guilds , Acs etc. These approved schemes are not qualifications themselves they are gate keepers such that if You wish to join as member you must have certain industry agreed qualifications. What qualifications does one need to join the tta. If there are none that are inline with the other approved schemes for trades I can’t see it being that by not being a member you are not a competent person. The main thing with electric , gas and plumbing approved schemes is that these allow you to self cert for building regs. Hence the high qualifications standard to join. BS are not law, just guidelines, however they are used to some extent to judge a good or bad job. Being aTta member doesn’t mean you are more or less likely to meet these standards.

 

[Dan]

We need more than one association if we HAVE to join one to get "certified" work done.

There can't be a monopoly like they have now.

Just IMO of course.

 

[acaciaguy]

Is it the tiler that’s needs certifying or the work done? Is it not the tiler who needs to meet a level of training / competence from an authoritative body? Like city and guilds / nvq etc.

With electrics. Plumbing. Gas. Certified refers to an approved contractor for building regs. Wras. Gas regs. 18th edition etc

There are no building regs / statutory tiling standards. Only bs which is where the issue is