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I've committed to my first 450 herringbone job - will be 3 walls of a shower enclosure with little 2x6 inch tiles.
Lots of advice out there tells you to find the midpoint of the wall and keep the tile points to this plumb line:
New Bitmap Image 1a.jpg
From all the google images of jobs where this has been done I noticed that it gives unequal cuts at the sides which I don't want.
After searching for ages I found this gem of a post:

Dont start with tile points on centre line or you'll get different size cuts either side

Theres 2 ways set out herringbone on a 45
First is to draw a line down the centre of a tile at 45 degree's and line that up on your centre line. Cuts will be equal sizes but opposite way around.

Second way to get the cuts the same way so they are like wings ( best way imo) is a bit more complicated to explain easy to show. Set two tiles herringboned and measure the distance between the points of each tiles but parallel. Then quater it and measure that distance off your centre line and thats you new line to start from off the points. If that makes sense

For example I use alot of 3x9 inch parquet tiles so id be starting 26mm off my centre line to get equal cuts on each side going the same way
So I'm just after some clarification that I've got this right in my head:

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If @Spacey360 or any other guru can confirm that's right then please post!!




 

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I've committed to my first 450 herringbone job - will be 3 walls of a shower enclosure with little 2x6 inch tiles.
Lots of advice out there tells you to find the midpoint of the wall and keep the tile points to this plumb line:
View attachment 100105
From all the google images of jobs where this has been done I noticed that it gives unequal cuts at the sides which I don't want.
After searching for ages I found this gem of a post:



So I'm just after some clarification that I've got this right in my head:

View attachment 100106

View attachment 100107
If @Spacey360 or any other guru can confirm that's right then please post!!



To get it centre you line up in the middle of the two red circles, somewhere like the yellow line that I’ve tried to draw on my phone.
 

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Centre line isn't where you think it will be . @LEE MAC has it right imho. But unless you frame each wall with a straight tile you will only he able to centre one wall because if you don't frame you will need to continue to the bond around the corner of the room . Good luck .
 
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Tray will be spot on level as I will fit it and I'm aiming to wrap it round the 2 side walls if the boarding is spot on. Unfortunately I'm not doing that bit as I'm stacked out. Won't be doing it till end of September. If the boarding is rubbish then I will have to frame the walls but I love the look of it wrapping round.
 
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Okay so using spacey's 3x6 inch parquet example giving 26mm I cut a couple of bits of paper to size to see what points he was measuring to get 104mm.

So this is what I should be measuring:

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Which gives what Lee Mac says:

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And this gives equal cuts with both sidesgoing the same way.
 

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I’ll try and explain this in a more simpler way.
In the above diagram take the top tile. Take the two highest corners of that tile and draw two lines straight down from each of those corners, find the middle of those two new lines and then draw another line, then move the tile over (maintaining the 45 degree angle) so as that last line drawn is centered over the center line of the wall/floor that you are tiling and you’ll then find that you’re cuts either side are equal. If that doesn’t explain it I give up :(
 
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think you were right 1st time. the line down the centre of the tile at 45d moves over to your centre line on the wall. is that what you mean?
That would give you equal cuts both sides but those cuts would be going in opposite directions to each other.
 
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Go buy a roll of lining paper. Lay the tiles out and draw round then. Then offer up the lining paper onto your wall:tearsofjoy:
 

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Just make sure when you get to the corners you follow around otherwise it looks like crap.Start on the wall that is the feature(biggest wall or the one you see most)
Simetimes not centering is better because it wraps around corner better.I dry lay on the floor each time I do it easier than trying to mathematically trying to work it out(get a better visual of how small the triangles are going to be).Make sure you use a laser to the tips,Goes out real quick if you don't.
 
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Putting tray in and overboarding the floor tomorrow.
But this is first look at my herringbone challenge and although the 2nd pic looks a bit bendy the walls are bang on flat and plumb. Just a shame it's a sloped ceiling and someone wants an alcove :(:mad:
The tiles are small 2''x 8'' or less but the inside of the alcove will be a solid white gloss tile of some sort so at least it doesn't need wrapping into that.
I did suggest normal tiling with a herringbone feature in the alcove but they were having none of it :D


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Back off my hols and on to this :(
Thought I'd post my (slow progress) as a help to others who are wary of the 45 herringbone wall and share the triumphs and potential pit falls as I go.
So this morning I worked from home (that's a first) and dry set out on some scraps of Hardi and cut some jigs to help me out. Also using Leemacs' advice I set out for the 1400mm tray by striking the centre line on one of my jigs. Got there after dinner and got a bit done. Going great at the moment but not sure what's going to happen when I hit the alcove, sloping ceiling and the wrap arounds as it makes my head hurt, but all good so far!

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One question - I've been lucky that I get full tiles at each end on this main wall (apart from the 45 corner cut off obviously) So to do a true wrap around I would use the little corner pieces but I'm thinking it would look much better to just mirror it? I know that's not the correct way and with smaller cuts it looks naff, but to the eye would you really notice? Got to look better than tiny triangles - what would you do?
 
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