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hi all has any one used this decoupling mat by BAL yet. Was talking to there REP today and am thinking about using it on a job which is getting an anhydrite screed.
there seam to be alot of advantages to using this product but need to know your views
 
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Not used it but a bit sceptical about it to be honest Ray, would imagine screed needs to be like an ice rink or your just relying on mass and gravity..whereas I'd rather rely on an spf :)
 
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There are quite a few tilers around had successful installs with full backing from BAL guarantee. If chance or circumstance came up I would probably use it with guidance from BAL.
 

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I would use it - no different to any other loose lay decoupler.

WhenI first started, almost all tiled floors laid in sand and cement, were laid with a visqueen sheet, sat on directly and not stuck to the concrete base. (even screeded floors were laid onto visqueen)

What is the difference apart from technology with the flexbone?
 

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It's not a new product. It's about 15 years old. Made by Gutjahr and Ardex in Europe and the USA . Trimline sell it as a Gutjahr product
 

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I would use it - no different to any other loose lay decoupler.

WhenI first started, almost all tiled floors laid in sand and cement, were laid with a visqueen sheet, sat on directly and not stuck to the concrete base. (even screeded floors were laid onto visqueen)

What is the difference apart from technology with the flexbone?
About 127 kg a Sqm to hold to screed to the sheet
 

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It's not a new product. It's about 15 years old. Made by Gutjahr and Ardex in Europe and the USA . Trimline sell it as a Gutjahr product
Blasphemer. 2e is the one and only true loose lay , all the others are false loose lays . Now kneel before your true mat
 

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We have sold quite a lot and getting a lot of interest. Feed back from those that have fixed it is good. Screed needs to be flat with no major deviations. If fixing on gypsum/anhydrite it needs to be under 1.5% moisture content (Ditra and other de-coupling systems require less than 1%). BAL technical rep will come and visit site FOC to do a carbide moisture test. Ring BAL to arrange. Of course, we also sell the product!
Don't forget, blue side up and tape any cut length joints on floor.
BAL Flexbone 2Easy Matting - https://www.tilefixdirect.com/product/BAFBONE-2EASY
 

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The down side in my opinion is it's BAL which means it's going to be more expensive and if you want there gaurantee which I think you would want at least for the time being atleast then you need to use there adhesive also and probably there grout. What's the benefit to you as the fitter at the end of the job? Are you better off or worse off ?
 

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Indicative prices ex VAT/m2 are £6.50 for Ditra, £10.99 Flexbone 2 Easy. You would save on the adhesive to stick it down and the labour cost of spreading (say £1.20 + £2.50 = £3.70). The other main benefit is the easy of spreading adhesive onto the surface, it is twice as fast, so that would be about £1.25m2 in labour. Overall this will come in with a slight overall cost saving, and a significant time saving. Post some job pictures on the installation of the month and you could win a roll to try! The costs of the new BAL One adhesives are also much more cost effective.
Equally Ditra is a great product!
 

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We have sold quite a lot and getting a lot of interest. Feed back from those that have fixed it is good. Screed needs to be flat with no major deviations. If fixing on gypsum/anhydrite it needs to be under 1.5% moisture content (Ditra and other de-coupling systems require less than 1%). BAL technical rep will come and visit site FOC to do a carbide moisture test. Ring BAL to arrange. Of course, we also sell the product!
Don't forget, blue side up and tape any cut length joints on floor.
BAL Flexbone 2Easy Matting - https://www.tilefixdirect.com/product/BAFBONE-2EASY
Schluter claim they can go on anhydrate at 2% by volume
 

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It’s ok, I doubt I will be using it again, you can tell which one is which when you tap on a bedded Matt and the flex , the flex sounds slightly hollow .
Price wise, possibly a bit cheaper, but I wouldn’t say it makes much difference.
Bloke I used it for bought it off someone called tile fix or something, was about £200 for a 10m2 roll
 
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Too expensive for too little benefit I think (so far).
 

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It’s £12 plus vat if you buy loads , bloke on my job paid £200 for 10m2 , he was trying it on a floor before he did the rest , 160 odd m2, he said it was too expensive and didn’t sound right to walk on compared to a little toilet I did in tm matting.
So he bought the tm matting, was cheaper to buy and lay than flex .
Apparently it’s been used for years like Harry said,so it must work though
 

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I'm speaking to someone about getting it specced with warranty using the gutjahr branded one and a different adhesive . Bal are a company I refuse to line the pockets of.
 

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I'm speaking to someone about getting it specced with warranty using the gutjahr branded one and a different adhesive . Bal are a company I refuse to line the pockets of.
Phone up bal tell them you got 3000m to do but the architect has spruced tilemaster adhesive , will you guarantee the mat . Bet you get a different answer .
 

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ok guys so far a lot of what i already know. the job is 220 mtrs on a newly layed anhydrite floor that is going to be sanded 5 day after laying the tiles are 900 x 600 x 20mm limestone just bought the adhesive its webber rapid grey deal at ctd today. the screed will be 3 weeks old when laying. its going down next wednesday and no ufh
what im asking is has any one experince of laying it dose it sound hollow and is there any movement that may result in grout cracking
 

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ok guys so far a lot of what i already know. the job is 220 mtrs on a newly layed anhydrite floor that is going to be sanded 5 day after laying the tiles are 900 x 600 x 20mm limestone just bought the adhesive its webber rapid grey deal at ctd today. the screed will be 3 weeks old when laying. its going down next wednesday and no ufh
what im asking is has any one experince of laying it dose it sound hollow and is there any movement that may result in grout cracking
Are you using flexbone on this?
 

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If your using flex bone, why are you sanding ? Also after 3 weeks it will still be too wet
 

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If your using flex bone, why are you sanding ? Also after 3 weeks it will still be too wet
were sanding to allow the hard layer on the surface to be removed as this will allow drying to happen quicker were running 4 big fans 24hrs a day to circulate the air so allowing drying faster.
the hard surface layer slows down drying as it helps retain the moisture.
 

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I'm more concerned about sanding it 5 days after laying the tileso_O
the screediers are sanding it as part of there contract 5days after the screed is layed. stupid if sanding after tiling. i missed the full stop out.
 

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were sanding to allow the hard layer on the surface to be removed as this will allow drying to happen quicker were running 4 big fans 24hrs a day to circulate the air so allowing drying faster.
the hard surface layer slows down drying as it helps retain the moisture.
Dehumidifiers will speed it up. Ask bal what %rh they allow with flexbone and get a hygrometer on it. Keep us posted on your findings:thumbsup:
 

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You like bal as much as I do then .
I had a grout issue with them recently. Totally washed their hands of it. Topps, however, paid out. Their aggressive marketing and p*** poor customer service has started to grate
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were sanding to allow the hard layer on the surface to be removed as this will allow drying to happen quicker were running 4 big fans 24hrs a day to circulate the air so allowing drying faster.
the hard surface layer slows down drying as it helps retain the moisture.
I think we busted that myth some time ago, no evidence to suggest that sanding aids drying. @Ajax123
 

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I had a grout issue with them recently. Totally washed their hands of it. Topps, however, paid out. Their aggressive marketing and p*** poor customer service has started to grate
Thought a forum sponsor should get the nod too
Had exactly the same . Grout issue topps paid some money but bal said there was nothing wrong with it . I wasn't happy, customer wasn't happy with grey grout in limestone but apparently in their colour parameters . Great company , but apparently just invented a new floating decoupling membrane , just blows your mind because I've never seen anything like it before . Also next week they are inventing something called the wheel .
 

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Ineed it does ray. In fact the absolute key to drying calcium sulphate screeds is air movement. This should be avoided for the first 72 hours of the screeds life but after this the more ventilation the better.
 

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