Discuss bal flex bone 2 easy in the Tiling Forum area at TilersForums.com

RayTheTiler

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hi all has any one used this decoupling mat by BAL yet. Was talking to there REP today and am thinking about using it on a job which is getting an anhydrite screed.
there seam to be alot of advantages to using this product but need to know your views
 

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Not used it but a bit sceptical about it to be honest Ray, would imagine screed needs to be like an ice rink or your just relying on mass and gravity..whereas I'd rather rely on an spf :)
 

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There are quite a few tilers around had successful installs with full backing from BAL guarantee. If chance or circumstance came up I would probably use it with guidance from BAL.
 

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I would use it - no different to any other loose lay decoupler.

WhenI first started, almost all tiled floors laid in sand and cement, were laid with a visqueen sheet, sat on directly and not stuck to the concrete base. (even screeded floors were laid onto visqueen)

What is the difference apart from technology with the flexbone?
 

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It's not a new product. It's about 15 years old. Made by Gutjahr and Ardex in Europe and the USA . Trimline sell it as a Gutjahr product
 

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I would use it - no different to any other loose lay decoupler.

WhenI first started, almost all tiled floors laid in sand and cement, were laid with a visqueen sheet, sat on directly and not stuck to the concrete base. (even screeded floors were laid onto visqueen)

What is the difference apart from technology with the flexbone?
About 127 kg a Sqm to hold to screed to the sheet
 

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It's not a new product. It's about 15 years old. Made by Gutjahr and Ardex in Europe and the USA . Trimline sell it as a Gutjahr product
Blasphemer. 2e is the one and only true loose lay , all the others are false loose lays . Now kneel before your true mat
 

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I haven’t used it, but will be looking at it closely on the next trade event demo
 

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We have sold quite a lot and getting a lot of interest. Feed back from those that have fixed it is good. Screed needs to be flat with no major deviations. If fixing on gypsum/anhydrite it needs to be under 1.5% moisture content (Ditra and other de-coupling systems require less than 1%). BAL technical rep will come and visit site FOC to do a carbide moisture test. Ring BAL to arrange. Of course, we also sell the product!
Don't forget, blue side up and tape any cut length joints on floor.
BAL Flexbone 2Easy Matting - https://www.tilefixdirect.com/product/BAFBONE-2EASY
 

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The down side in my opinion is it's BAL which means it's going to be more expensive and if you want there gaurantee which I think you would want at least for the time being atleast then you need to use there adhesive also and probably there grout. What's the benefit to you as the fitter at the end of the job? Are you better off or worse off ?
 

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Indicative prices ex VAT/m2 are £6.50 for Ditra, £10.99 Flexbone 2 Easy. You would save on the adhesive to stick it down and the labour cost of spreading (say £1.20 + £2.50 = £3.70). The other main benefit is the easy of spreading adhesive onto the surface, it is twice as fast, so that would be about £1.25m2 in labour. Overall this will come in with a slight overall cost saving, and a significant time saving. Post some job pictures on the installation of the month and you could win a roll to try! The costs of the new BAL One adhesives are also much more cost effective.
Equally Ditra is a great product!
 

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We have sold quite a lot and getting a lot of interest. Feed back from those that have fixed it is good. Screed needs to be flat with no major deviations. If fixing on gypsum/anhydrite it needs to be under 1.5% moisture content (Ditra and other de-coupling systems require less than 1%). BAL technical rep will come and visit site FOC to do a carbide moisture test. Ring BAL to arrange. Of course, we also sell the product!
Don't forget, blue side up and tape any cut length joints on floor.
BAL Flexbone 2Easy Matting - https://www.tilefixdirect.com/product/BAFBONE-2EASY
Schluter claim they can go on anhydrate at 2% by volume
 

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It’s ok, I doubt I will be using it again, you can tell which one is which when you tap on a bedded Matt and the flex , the flex sounds slightly hollow .
Price wise, possibly a bit cheaper, but I wouldn’t say it makes much difference.
Bloke I used it for bought it off someone called tile fix or something, was about £200 for a 10m2 roll
 

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What's it called in the States again?
Want to compare prices....
 

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About the same £10+ equivalent in the US.
Too expensive for too little benefit I think (so far).
 

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It’s £12 plus vat if you buy loads , bloke on my job paid £200 for 10m2 , he was trying it on a floor before he did the rest , 160 odd m2, he said it was too expensive and didn’t sound right to walk on compared to a little toilet I did in tm matting.
So he bought the tm matting, was cheaper to buy and lay than flex .
Apparently it’s been used for years like Harry said,so it must work though
 

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I'm speaking to someone about getting it specced with warranty using the gutjahr branded one and a different adhesive . Bal are a company I refuse to line the pockets of.
 
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  • :partypooper:
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  • :rotatinglight:
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  • :speechballoon:
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  • :triangularruler:
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  • :trumpet:
  • :vhs:
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  • :violin:
  • :windchime:
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